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#421 Post by superlemmikki » 10 Sep 2020, 09:28

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Eiköhän sieltä kohta keksitä joku rahanpesusyyte tai huumekauppa tai muu tekaistu juttu, millä saadaan kiusallinen radiokanava vaiennettua - tai muutettua 100% viihdekanavaks.
Kanava kun on Yhdysvaltojen kokonaan rahoittama, niin sitä ei ehkä niin helposti puhdisteta kuin miten noille muille tuolla on käynyt. Ehkä hommaa jatketaan ihan vaan radiohäirinnän klassisin keinoin?
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#422 Post by Pasi Fist » 16 Sep 2020, 07:15

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-budapest
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Hungary

Hungary's students are making a last stand against Viktor Orbán’s power grab
George Szirtes

The University of Theatre and Film Arts in Budapest is the latest public institution in the authoritarian leader’s sights

As I write, the University of Theatre and Film Arts in Budapest (SZFE) is being occupied by its students and staff. It is the latest battle, and possibly last stand, against the Hungarian government’s attempt to seize power in independent institutions of all sorts, including cultural ones.

Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party has been in office since its landslide victory in the 2010 elections and there seems little prospect of change. That is because it has already seized control of most other institutions in areas including media, the law, finance, health, research and education. Pretty well everything – and it is still expanding.

Like most institutions of higher education everywhere, especially those with an emphasis on the arts and humanities, SZFE is identified with the “left-liberal” ethos the increasingly authoritarian government is committed to defeating. That is reason enough for Fidesz to muscle in.

In this respect Hungary is just one part of a widespread international conflict between systems of value and governance, one that has caused fierce divisions in many places, sweeping away whatever centre ground there was.

The campaign against the arts was initiated by Fidesz in 2006 when it gained control of the municipalities and declared that it had had enough of the old liberal order. It was, the party stated, their time now. The directors and boards of provincial theatres were sacked and replaced by local Fidesz-appointed figures.

It’s not just theatres, of course. Having assumed office in 2010, the Fidesz government, led by Orbán, immediately looked to seize control of any and all public institutions by much the same method of appointing governing bodies that could grant or withhold funds according to the willingness of organisations to toe the party line. The system has worked with dramatic efficiency. Hungarian society has no modern tradition of organised resistance. With individuals scared of retribution in the form of loss of income, effective solidarity is impossible.

In 2008, a new organisation for the supervision of theatres was established, the Magyar Teátrumi Társaság or Hungarian Theatre Society. It was generously funded and entrusted with the responsibility of carrying forward Fidesz’s programme. At its head was Attila Vidnyánszky, a brilliant provincial director. Vidnyánszky embodied the government’s enthusiasm for patriotism and a nominal Christianity. He more or less runs Hungarian theatre now.

Until recently, universities were independent, state-funded entities from which it was difficult to withhold financial support. Fidesz’s strategic aim became to privatise the universities and, as had proved so successful with other enterprises, impose a board of government-appointed trustees to determine policy, not just in spending, but appointments, the curriculum and all other matters, on an ideological basis.

This is the process currently in train at SZFE. It looked reasonable enough at first, privatisation being seen as a route to greater independence. Universities would become self-governing institutions with proper representation on the board of trustees. But SZFE was required to complete the process in a matter of months, by January 2021.

When it applied for an extension in July of this year, its completion date was actually brought forward to September. There was no consultation at all. A board of trustees was appointed over the heads of the university with Vidnyánszky leading it.

Suddenly, Vidnyánszky was not only running the National Theatre Society, but SZFE too. Despite his spectacular rise to power he regards himself as an avenging outsider and maintains a fierce animus towards many other members of the theatrical profession, particularly those teaching at SZFE, which has produced the greatest Hungarian actors and directors of the last century.

In the meantime, a campaign of abuse is being directed at the university by the government-supporting press.

The student body organised an occupation in support of the university’s senate and staff, and in defence of their own education. The senate has resigned and the staff are considering a strike. The students formed a human chain through the streets of Budapest extending from the university to the parliament building. The chain has received wide popular support. The atmosphere of the demonstration was joyful and calm, but firm.

It is an important moment. It coincides with yet another move to shut down Hungary’s one independent radio station, Klubrádió. Shows of solidarity are rare and may set an example. This one should not be swept under the government’s ever extending carpet.

• George Szirtes is a Hungarian poet and translator
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#423 Post by Pasi Fist » 12 Nov 2020, 04:10

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... gbt-rights
Hungarian government mounts new assault on LGBT rights

Constitutional amendment proposed to enshrine defence of so-called ‘Christian values’

Moments before Hungary entered a second coronavirus lockdown on Wednesday, the far-right government signalled its intention to pass a range of new legislation, including to make it harder for opposition political parties to join forces and to change the constitution to enshrine the defence of so-called “Christian values”.

Opposition politicians criticised both the substance and timing of the moves.

The proposed constitutional amendment, submitted to parliament by the justice minister, Judit Varga, late on Tuesday, is the latest assault on LGBT rights in the country, where legal recognition for gender changes was ended in May.

“Hungary protects children’s right to identify as the sex they were born with, and ensures their upbringing based on our national self-identification and Christian culture,” the amendment states. The constitution already stipulates that marriage must be between a man and a woman, but the amendment says that in a parent-child relationship “the mother is a woman and the father is a man”.

The amendment would ensure that only heterosexual married couples can adopt children. Single people could gain exemptions by special ministerial permission.

The attempted justification for the amendment explains that “new, modern ideologies in the western world raise doubt about the creation of the male and female sex, and endanger the right of children to have healthy development.” The Hungarian language has the same word for sex and gender.

For years, Viktor Orbán’s government has relied on an anti-migration agenda to rally its base, and some analysts suggest LGBT people may be the new target. In Poland, the ruling populist Law and Justice (PiS) party has made the fight against so-called “LGBT ideology” central to its political messaging.

Orbán’s government is facing pressure arising from discussions in the EU to link the disbursal of some European funds to rule of law criteria, as well as pressure over rising coronavirus cases. The new lockdown includes an 8pm curfew and the closure of restaurants and bars. Parliament has voted for a 90-day “state of emergency” during which the government can issue decrees on virus-related matters without parliamentary approval.

The timing of the new legislative initiatives, which were announced with no warning, was reminiscent of an earlier barrage of legislation unrelated to coronavirus that was introduced during the first coronavirus “state of emergency” in the spring.

The independent MP Bernadett Szél wrote on Facebook that “instead of fighting the virus, they wish to fight the LGBT community”. Katalin Cseh, an MEP of the opposition Momentum party, wrote on Twitter: “Parents, schools, hospitals, small businesses are hours away from a lockdown – not knowing what will happen, as details of regulations haven’t even been published yet. On the govt’s agenda: a constitutional amendment to fight gender ideology.”

The new laws will have to be debated in parliament, but Orbán’s Fidesz party has a two-thirds majority, sufficient to make constitutional amendments.

While the gender-related initiatives are the most eye-catching, the political changes could also prove significant. The new rules would make it harder for parties to run joint lists in elections without fully uniting.

Fidesz has dominated Hungarian politics over the past decade, but the fragmented opposition has had success in mayoral elections – including in Budapest – when unifying behind a single candidate. Opposition parties had announced their intention to run unity candidates against Fidesz in parliamentary elections in 2022.

“Viktor Orbán has become unworthy of his office once and for all,” six opposition parties said in a statement on Wednesday, Reuters reported. “This only goes to show that he no longer feels safe even in the election system he wrote for himself, which is fitting because he will lose.”
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#424 Post by Dame Cressida Dick » 13 Nov 2020, 14:01

superlemmikki wrote:
10 Sep 2020, 09:28
Achtisaaren wrote:
10 Sep 2020, 09:25
Eiköhän sieltä kohta keksitä joku rahanpesusyyte tai huumekauppa tai muu tekaistu juttu, millä saadaan kiusallinen radiokanava vaiennettua - tai muutettua 100% viihdekanavaks.
Kanava kun on Yhdysvaltojen kokonaan rahoittama, niin sitä ei ehkä niin helposti puhdisteta kuin miten noille muille tuolla on käynyt. Ehkä hommaa jatketaan ihan vaan radiohäirinnän klassisin keinoin?
Käsittääkseni niillä oli aika hyvät välineet klassisen radiohäirinnän murtamiseen. Meinaan harrastettiin sitä DDR:ssäkin. Ja muutenkin internetissä on muut keinot.
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#425 Post by Dame Cressida Dick » 13 Nov 2020, 14:01

superlemmikki wrote:
10 Sep 2020, 09:28
Achtisaaren wrote:
10 Sep 2020, 09:25
Eiköhän sieltä kohta keksitä joku rahanpesusyyte tai huumekauppa tai muu tekaistu juttu, millä saadaan kiusallinen radiokanava vaiennettua - tai muutettua 100% viihdekanavaks.
Kanava kun on Yhdysvaltojen kokonaan rahoittama, niin sitä ei ehkä niin helposti puhdisteta kuin miten noille muille tuolla on käynyt. Ehkä hommaa jatketaan ihan vaan radiohäirinnän klassisin keinoin?
Käsittääkseni niillä oli aika hyvät välineet klassisen radiohäirinnän murtamiseen. Meinaan harrastettiin sitä DDR:ssäkin. Ja muutenkin internetissä on muut keinot.
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historia toistanee itseään lähinnä puskafarssina tälläkin kertaa

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#426 Post by 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE » 16 Nov 2020, 12:27

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11649549
Unkari aikoo kaataa EU:n budjetin ja koronarahaston oikeusvaltiovaatimuksen takia

EU:n budjetin ja koronaelvytysrahaston maksatukset on sidottu oikeusvaltioperiaatteen noudattamiseen.

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Unkari aikoo estää EU:n budjetin hyväksymisen oikeusvaltioperiaatteesta syntyneen kiistan takia. Unkarin suunnittelemasta veto-oikeuden käytöstä kertoo Reutersin mukaan unkarilainen portfolio.hu-sivusto.

EU:n vuosien 2021–2027 budjetissa maksatukset on sidottu oikeusvaltioperiaatteen noudattamiseen. Unkarin hallitus ilmoittaa veto-oikeuden käytöstä myöhemmin tänään, portfolio-sivusto kertoo.

Unkarin lisäksi myös Puola vastustaa rahan saamisen sitomista oikeusvaltioperiaatteen noudattamiseen. EU-komissio on arvostellut Unkaria ja Puolaa oikeuslaitoksen itsenäisyyden murentamisesta.

EU vaatii jäsenmailta demokratian kunnioittamista, vapaata oikeuslaitosta ja lehdistönvapautta.

Unkarissa media ja kansalaisjärjestöt ovat menettäneet vapautensa pääministeri Viktor Orbanin valtakaudella.

EU:n puheenjohtajamaan Saksan on määrä kysyä tänään jäsenmaiden kantoja tulevasta budjetista. Unkari aikoo estää sekä EU:n budjetin että koronaelvytysrahaston hyväksymisen.

EU-maat sopivat 1,8 tuhannen miljardin budjetista ja elvytysrahastosta heinäkuussa. Seitsenvuotisen budjetin koko on 1,1 tuhatta miljardia euroa ja elvytyspaketti on suuruudeltaan 750 miljardia euroa.

Oikeusvaltiomekanismi vaatii hyväksynnän jäsenmailta ja parlamentilta. Budjettipäätöksessä vaaditaan yksimielisyyttä.

Täähän ei oo mikään yllätys, mutta voisko joku enemmän tietävä kertoa mulle että mitä, jos mitään, EU voi tässä kohtaa tehdä. Mun puolesta puolat ja unkarit vois potkia vittuun koko eu:sta, jos ei meno maistu, mutta mites tääkään tapahtuu?
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#427 Post by Hikinen Möhömaha » 16 Nov 2020, 12:49

Natsit määrittää ja EU on voimaton. Ei ketään voi pois potkia ja jokaisella jäsenvaltiolla on kaikkeen veto-oikeus. Onnea EU.
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Mut joo, tietääkö joku mitä tapahtuu jos EU-budjettia ei vaan hyväksytä?
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#429 Post by Liskomies » 16 Nov 2020, 13:19

Hikinen Möhömaha wrote:
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Natsit määrittää ja EU on voimaton. Ei ketään voi pois potkia ja jokaisella jäsenvaltiolla on kaikkeen veto-oikeus. Onnea EU.
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#430 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 16 Nov 2020, 13:26

Olen edelleen sitä mieltä, että kaikki EU-maat paitsi Unkari ja Puola vois erota yhtaikaa EU:sta ja liittyä saman tien EU with blackjack and hookersiin joka olis muuten identtinen, mutta totaalinen veto-oikeus ois poistettu. Puola ja Unkari vois sit keskenään leikkiä tyhjätaskuista valtioliittoa.
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#431 Post by De Gröna » 16 Nov 2020, 13:27

Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 13:26
Olen edelleen sitä mieltä, että kaikki EU-maat paitsi Unkari ja Puola vois erota yhtaikaa EU:sta ja liittyä saman tien EU with blackjack and hookersiin joka olis muuten identtinen, mutta totaalinen veto-oikeus ois poistettu. Puola ja Unkari vois sit keskenään leikkiä tyhjätaskuista valtioliittoa.
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#432 Post by viemäri-INTEGRITY » 16 Nov 2020, 13:29

Hesarissa vai missä oli joku selostus kiertotiestä, että Orban jää ilman 7 miljardin korona tms tukia.
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#433 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 16 Nov 2020, 13:36

De Gröna wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 13:27
Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 13:26
Olen edelleen sitä mieltä, että kaikki EU-maat paitsi Unkari ja Puola vois erota yhtaikaa EU:sta ja liittyä saman tien EU with blackjack and hookersiin joka olis muuten identtinen, mutta totaalinen veto-oikeus ois poistettu. Puola ja Unkari vois sit keskenään leikkiä tyhjätaskuista valtioliittoa.
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#434 Post by Salajulkku » 16 Nov 2020, 13:42

Toivotaan, että kortit katsotaan nyt.

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#435 Post by viemäri-INTEGRITY » 16 Nov 2020, 13:47

Oma veikkaus että Unkarin ja Puolan vaatimukset hyväksytään ja meininki jatkuu kuten ennekin :?
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