Yleinen ISIS pistää menemään -topik

[Erkki-Liisa]

Erkki-Liisan epärehellinen kujanjuoksu maalitolppien kanssa näkyy vielä tuossa miten epäillään tuon Turkin erikoissikojen somepostauksen aitoutta, vaikka kuka tahansa voi käydä fb:stä tarkistaa, että siellä se on, eikä tuollaisen olemassaolossa ole yhtään kenellekään mitään yllättävää, ellei sitten ole tietty uuden ottomaanisulttaanin valkopesijä.

Ettet olisi itse ottomaanisulttaanin valkopesijä, eihän tuon tason argumentoinnilla voiteta ketään kurdiasian saati Putinin puolelle.

Sitten kun ei ole enää maalia eikä tolppia siirreltäväksi, vedetään vanha kunnon "itse olet!".

Mikäli et ymmärtänyt niin kyse ei ole siitä kertovatko spämmäämäsi kuvat mistä väität, ne eivät vaan liity itse asiaan millään tavalla. Yhtä hyvin voisin minäkin postata kurdiseparatistien murhaamien turkkilaisten kuvia, vaan kun tarkoituksenani on pysytellä asiakeskustelun puolella lipsumatta tunnemanipuloimaan.

[Olavi Virta 93]

Jos olisin piffin moderaattori, niin käyttäisin Erdoganilta tuttua taktiikkaa, jotta tästä ja Turkki-ketjusta saataisiin taas jokseenkin lukukelpoisia. Itse luen mielelläni tänne linkitettyjä hyviä analyysejä, mutta raskasta on tätä nykyä, kun Erkki-ei-omaa-lehmää-ojassa-tai-laput-pätkääkää-silmillä-Liisa onnistuu vetämään tämän ja tuon toisen topicin sellaiseksi monen sivun juupas-eipäs-väännöksi, jossa ei taatusti kumpikaan keskustelun osapuoli lähene toistaan missään välissä. Ei tuollaisten Bäckmanien kanssa voi keskustella ja täts it.

[Ananaskääpiö]

Ihan hyvää keskustelua tässä ollut tai ainakin tasasen paskaa linkkausta ja sepustusta.

[Olavi Virta 93]

Ihan hyvää keskustelua tässä ollut tai ainakin tasasen paskaa linkkausta ja sepustusta.

No en mä ainakaan pidä minkään argumentaatioharjoitusten lukemisesta, kun vastassa on väsähtänyt trolli, joka jankkaa sitä samaa mantraa Putinin Turkki-vastaisesta propagandasta.

Siis ihan hyvänä ja asiallisena pysynyt keskustelu, pl. omat tunteenpurkaukseni, mutta en kai nyt ainoa ole, joka näkee tämän jatkuvan tismalleen samanlaisena jankkaamisena, kunnes toinen osapuolista väsyy.

[Banana Joe]

No kaikki topikit on pilalla samantien kun tuo yksi känkkäränkkä niihin tulee mesoamaan.

[Ananaskääpiö]

Kyllä länkkäreillä on yleisesti vähän outo kuva Turkista ja sit vasemmistolaisilla tosiaan välillä outoakin PKK fanitusta. En kyl ite palkkais Erkki-Liisaa ajamaan itselleni tärkeitä asioita.

[Rasmus-mafioso]

Erkki-Liisan epärehellinen kujanjuoksu maalitolppien kanssa näkyy vielä tuossa miten epäillään tuon Turkin erikoissikojen somepostauksen aitoutta, vaikka kuka tahansa voi käydä fb:stä tarkistaa, että siellä se on, eikä tuollaisen olemassaolossa ole yhtään kenellekään mitään yllättävää, ellei sitten ole tietty uuden ottomaanisulttaanin valkopesijä.

Ettet olisi itse ottomaanisulttaanin valkopesijä, eihän tuon tason argumentoinnilla voiteta ketään kurdiasian saati Putinin puolelle.

Sitten kun ei ole enää maalia eikä tolppia siirreltäväksi, vedetään vanha kunnon "itse olet!".

Mikäli et ymmärtänyt niin kyse ei ole siitä kertovatko spämmäämäsi kuvat mistä väität, ne eivät vaan liity itse asiaan millään tavalla. Yhtä hyvin voisin minäkin postata kurdiseparatistien murhaamien turkkilaisten kuvia, vaan kun tarkoituksenani on pysytellä asiakeskustelun puolella lipsumatta tunnemanipuloimaan.

No kyllä liittyy asiaan Turkin paskaksi pommittamat kaupungit Turkin valtion sisällä ja sikäläiset erikoissiat fiilistelemässä kuinka tommonen on tulos autonomiavaateista.

Tota on turha kiertää sillä, että "kaikki kurdit ei kannata PKK:ta ja separatismia". No shit, Sherlock.

Mitä mieltä muuten olet Venäjän ja siviilien kaasumurhaaja Assadin lämmittelyistä kurdien suuntaan?

No ei tuossa artikkelissa sitä sanota muuta kuin että SDF tarttui tilaisuuteen ja valtasi Pohjois-Aleppossa kaupunkeja Turkin (ja jenkkien) tukemilta jihadisteilta.

Tähän oli hyvä kommentti tuolla.

We fight SAA... Everytime they attack us! Same for rebels. We did not forget Serekani, they stabbed us in the back and tried to conquer the city but they lost. After that, Daesh came and tried to conquer Rojava, and rebels blockaded Afrin and Kurdish neighborhood in Aleppo. So we fight them. Very simple. If we ally with Assad they will stab us after they beat the rebels. If we ally with rebels they will stab us after Assad is gone. We just want to survive. So no thanks, bye bye syrian arab republic or syrian sharia republic!

[Erkki-Liisa]

Enhän mä kysynyt sulta Väiski mielipidettä kurdien eloonjäämiskamppailusta vaan Venäjän ja Assadin lämmittelyistä kurdien suuntaan.

Russia knows exactly how to push an opponent's geopolitical buttons. Since Turkey downed a Russian Su-24 fighter jet — exacerbating an already tense rivalry centered on regional dominance — Moscow has set about punishing Ankara politically and economically. Now, in its goal to antagonize Ankara further, Moscow is exerting its considerable influence on a particularly sensitive spot for Turkey: the Kurds.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov will be welcoming Selahattin Demirtas, the leader of the Peoples' Democracy Party, Turkey's most important Kurdish political party. According to Demirtas — who announced the meeting on Saturday from the southeastern province of Diyarbakir, the main battleground for Turkish and Kurdish forces — the Peoples' Democracy Party will establish an office in Moscow. The politician claims he can do what Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan cannot: mend Turkey's relationship with Russia. What is left unsaid, however, is that Demirtas wants to show Erdogan that the Kurds are a political force that cannot be sidestepped in elections or crushed in the streets. This meeting, the highest-level diplomatic encounter between Russia and Turkey since relations soured last month, comes after the Kremlin refused point blank to reconcile with Ankara.

After all, Russia's issues with Turkey go beyond the Su-24 downing. Moscow's desire to increase its presence in the Middle East is fundamentally at odds with Turkey's desire to do the same. Russia knows that by supporting the Kurds, it weakens Ankara. To this end, Russia insisted last week that the Democratic Union Party — Syrian Kurds associated with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) — must have a seat at the negotiating table along with other Syrian opposition groups. In October, Russia invited the Syrian Kurdish group to open an office in Moscow, emphasizing a desire to coordinate with the Democratic Union Party and the Syrian government to target the Islamic State.

Russia has only recently come out in support of the Democratic Union Party's militia — known as the People's Protection Units — in its fight against the Islamic State and against rebels holding territory around the town of Azaz. Yet the Syrian Kurdish group was quick to deny this, wary of open support from Moscow. This makes sense considering the importance of U.S. support channeled through the Syrian Democratic Forces. The Russians have indeed launched deep interdiction strikes against the Islamic State in northern Aleppo, but have avoided the People's Protection Units' lines so far. Russian jets could also be targeting rebel logistics routes running from Turkey. Still, the Democratic Union Party's participation in negotiations could eventually lead to Kurdish autonomy in northern Syria, which could then become a fertile bastion of Kurdish activity from which the PKK could organize strikes. This is would be a terrible outcome for Turkey, and Russia knows it.

For Demirtas, a meeting with the Russian foreign minister demonstrates the relevance of the People's Democracy Party and its potential to gain support from Moscow, which the Kurdistan Workers' Party has enjoyed for decades. While the United States and European Union have designated the PKK as a terrorist organization, the People's Democracy Party is a legal political party with representation in the Turkish parliament. Although the People's Democracy Party officially distances itself from the PKK, both groups share certain ideals, goals and patrons.

Russia has a rich history of supporting the PKK and other Kurdish groups. The Kurdistan Workers' Party was created during the Soviet era and shared a congruent left-wing ideology with Moscow. The Soviet Union provided havens throughout the Soviet Union for the constantly moving Kurdish populations. In fact, the first Kurdish language film, "Zare," a silent black and white romance about a dashing young villager protecting his bride from the designs of a evil feudal lord, was produced in the Soviet Union in 1926. The Soviets facilitated Kurdish media and propaganda starting in the 1940s. In the 1980s, Soviet ally Syria offered the PKK a haven, and the group has legally operated in post-Soviet Russia throughout the 1990s.

Russia's interference in Turkey-Kurdish affairs comes at a sensitive time. After the cease-fire between Turkey and the Kurdistan Workers' Party ruptured in July, confrontations between Turkish security forces and the PKK increased. Last week, the Turkish army launched one of its largest domestic military operations in recent years against the PKK. Ankara deployed approximately 10,000 Turkish security personnel, supported by tanks. Erdogan even promised to "annihilate" members of the PKK in their homes just last week. Since the cease-fire was lifted in July, dozens of curfews have been imposed and thousands have been killed in various operations, including Turkish airstrikes against the PKK in Iraqi Kurdistan's Qandil Mountains.

Despite Ankara's rash of actions against the PKK, members of the Turkish parliament are looking to de-escalate the Kurdish issue through dialogue. Lawmakers in Ankara are currently urging the government to restart talks with the Kurds as clashes increase in southeastern Turkey. On Monday, the deputy chairman of Turkey's second-largest political party called for open dialogue in parliament instead of violence. The ruling Justice and Development Party also called for talks. Turkey's conciliatory political tone toward the People's Democracy Party is intended to put a wedge between the Kurdish political party and the PKK's militancy, thereby bringing the People's Democracy Party back into the fold. However, this is likely to prove difficult. On Tuesday, Demirtas announced that the southeastern Anatolia region of Turkey has embraced the idea of autonomy in the face of what he called Ankara's dictatorship. He went so far as to refer to snap elections called by the Justice and Development Party — after failing to achieve a majority — a "coup."

Now, with the Kurds increasingly benefiting from Russian patronage, Turkey must face certain realities. A stronger Kurdish political constituency in Turkey could push the Kurdish autonomy agenda, while a Kurdish-controlled northern Syria has the potential to support the PKK in its attacks across the border in Turkey. Equally important, Ankara's agenda of increased influence in the Middle East does not account for, nor lend itself to, internal political and security distractions. Turkey has so far failed to de-escalate the situation with Russia because Ankara refuses to admit fault through an apology and appropriate compensation. Moscow therefore responded with sanctions targeting Turkish exports and accusations that Erdogan has connections to the Islamic State's oil enterprise.

Russia is good at identifying an opponent's perceived weakness and then exerting pressure. In Turkey's case, Moscow has found a pressure point in the form of the Kurds. It is suggestive of a Russian proverb quoted earlier this month by Turkish journalist Cengiz Candar in the daily Radikal: "If you invite a bear to dance, it's not you who decides when the dance is over. It's the bear."

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HACKERS HIJACK ISIS TWITTER ACCOUNTS WITH GAY PORN AFTER ORLANDO ATTACK

Anonymous hacker targets Twitter accounts of ISIS supporters following Orlando attacks.

Twitter accounts belonging to supporters of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) have been hacked in the wake of the Orlando shooting, with jihadist content replaced with gay pride messages and links to gay pornography.

A hacker affiliated with the hacktivist collective Anonymous, who uses the online moniker WauchulaGhost, first began hijacking pro-ISIS Twitter accounts several months ago. Following the mass shooting at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, on June 13, the hacker decided to replace ISIS imagery posted to the accounts with rainbow flags and pro-LGBT messages.

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“I did it for the lives lost in Orlando,” the hacker tells Newsweek. “Daesh [ISIS] have been spreading and praising the attack, so I thought I would defend those that were lost. The taking of innocent lives will not be tolerated.”

WauchulaGhost does not disclose his real name or exact location, other than to say he is based in the United States and that “shit is getting too close to home.”

The vigilante hacker claims to have taken over 200 Twitter accounts belonging to ISIS supporters. However, many have since been taken down by Twitter. WauchulaGhost plans to continue the campaign with two other hackers who go by the name Ebony and Yeti.



ISIS has used social media platforms like Twitter as a tool for recruitment and to spread propaganda. Twitter claims to have shut down more than 125,000 accounts promoting extremism since 2015.

Messages posted to the compromised accounts include “I’m gay and proud” and “Out and proud.” A link to a gay porn site is included in some of the hacked accounts, although no explicit images have been posted in respect to Islam.

“One thing I do want to say is we aren’t using graphic porn and our purpose is not to offend Muslims,” WachulaGhost says. “Our actions are directed at Jihadist extremists. Many of our own [group of hackers] are Muslim and we respect all religions that do not take innocent lives.”

http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-twitter ... 0300?rm=eu

[Rasmus-mafioso]

http://www.juancole.com/2016/06/pyrrhic ... ether.html

Pyrrhic Victory? As Iraq rolls back Daesh, can it stay together as a Country?

From all accounts, most people in Fallujah are very happy about being out from under the murderous and puritanical rule of Daesh (ISIS, ISIL). But Daesh took the city in January of 2014 for a reason. Locals did not put up much of a fight to keep them out. The Sunni Dulaym tribe predominates in Fallujah, and they have not since 2003 felt that the Iraqi government truly represents them. They think it is a cat’s paw of Shiite Iran.

The social consequences of the conquest of Fallujah are considerable, with hundreds of thousands of fleeing the city in recent months and 20,000 streaming out of it just on Saturday. Fears of outbreaks of cholera in refugee camps with no running water are heightening.

But an increasing number of Sunni Arab Iraqis are putting out calls for the partition of Iraq. These include the tribes of northern Ninewah Province, where the large city of Mosul is situated.

A high Kurdish official in Iraqi Kurdistan has also called for partition once the Daesh insurgency is quelled.

Ominously, the Badr Corps has ruled out so much a partition. Badr was originally trained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, and is a Shiite fighting force, one of the more effective.

This configuration is dangerous. You have nationalist Kurds, hopeless Sunni Arabs and militantly nationalist Shiites. The Shiites, at 60% of the country, probably have the social and economic weight to keep at least the Arab areas together. But it could be a sullen, cold-shoulder unity.

Nyt on viime aikoina kuulunut sekä sunneilta että kurdeilta vaatimuksia Irakin jakamisesta kolmeen osaan.

[Master of Speed]

Kyllä länkkäreillä on yleisesti vähän outo kuva Turkista ja sit vasemmistolaisilla tosiaan välillä outoakin PKK fanitusta.

Joillain vasemmistolaisilla ja osalla mediaa on kieltämättä. Hesari valitsee pkk-juttuihinsa melkein aina uutiskuvaksi nättejä soturimimmejä ja kehystys on muutenkin erittäin myönteinen.

Tämä siis ottamatta kantaa siihen, kenen nationalistiset pyrkimykset ovat oikeita, tai kenellä on hulluin johtaja.

[Hans Normaali]

Semmonen asia tuli tässä mieleen että miten toi Fallujan valtaus noin niinkuin sujui? Mitä uutisia oon seurannut niin irakin joukot kai pääs kaupungin keskustaan suht nopeesti ja kaupunkia "puhdistetaan" as we speak tai en tiiä. Ennen valtausta oli paljon ounastelua että tulee iso rähinä ja koko kaupunki on booby trapattu. Vai vetikö isis-jorkit joukot mosuliin ja puoliksi luovuttivat kaupungin hallituksen joukoille?

[Rasmus-mafioso]

Viimeks kun katsoin niin 2000 isis-jorkkia tapettu ja tuhat jääny vangiks Fallujassa. Myös hyökkäävien joukkojen perseilystä siviilejä kohtaan ollut raportteja.

Syyrian puolella Assadin joukot aatteli tilaisuuden koittaneen ja hyökkäsi etelästä kohti Raqqaa ja sen vieressä olevaa Tabqaa, mutta ottavat siellä nyt ilmeisesti ihan kunnolla sipuliin ISISiltä. Manbij taas näyttäis olevan viittä vaille SDF:n hallussa.

[Rasmus-mafioso]

Tämmöttinen.

http://www.juancole.com/2016/06/falluja ... itias.html

Abuses of Fallujah Sunnis Raise Question: Does Iraq Gov’t Control of Shiite Militias ...

Ahead of the offensive in Fallujah against forces of the Islamic State (also known as ISIS), Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said that his government had taken measures to protect civilians. Human Rights Watch, however, has received credible allegations of summary executions, beatings of unarmed men, enforced disappearances, and mutilation of corpses by government forces over the two weeks of fighting, mostly on the outskirts of the city, since May 23. On June 4, 2016, in response to allegations of abuse, al-Abadi launched an investigation into abuses in Fallujah and issued orders to arrest those responsible for “transgressions” against civilians. On June 7, al-Abadi announced the “detention and transfer of those accused of committing violations to the judiciary to receive their punishment according to the law.”

“The Iraqi government needs to control and hold accountable its own forces if it hopes to claim the moral upper hand in its fight against ISIS,” said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director. “It’s high time for Iraqi authorities to unravel the web of culpability underlying the government forces’ repeated outrages against civilians.” ...

[Lusku]

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ISISn "hakkerikalifaatti" on Kremlin luomus

False Flags: The Kremlin’s Hidden Cyber Hand
The Islamic State’s hacking army doesn’t actually work for ISIS—It’s part of the secret Russian online espionage effort against the West

http://observer.com/2016/06/false-flags ... yber-hand/