Miltähän tuntuu elää tommosessa todellisuudessa, siis silleen viralliseen propagandaan uskoen, kun välillä sit toi propagandatodellisuus rakoilee.
Tää nimenomainen keissi eli joku tekstinpätkä jossain televisiotiedoissa nyt tuskin on hirveän herättelevä, mutta hyvä kysymys muuten. Vaikka oikeastihan ihmisillä on tietty vahva taipumus olla rekisteröimättä omasta maailmankuvasta poikkeavaa informaatiota, eli ei varmaan sen kummoisemmalta tunnu. Tuontitavaroiden ja hintojen ampaisu nousuun sitten voikin jo tuntua.
Miltähän tuntuu elää tommosessa todellisuudessa, siis silleen viralliseen propagandaan uskoen, kun välillä sit toi propagandatodellisuus rakoilee.
Tää nimenomainen keissi eli joku tekstinpätkä jossain televisiotiedoissa nyt tuskin on hirveän herättelevä, mutta hyvä kysymys muuten. Vaikka oikeastihan ihmisillä on tietty vahva taipumus olla rekisteröimättä omasta maailmankuvasta poikkeavaa informaatiota, eli ei varmaan sen kummoisemmalta tunnu. Tuontitavaroiden ja hintojen ampaisu nousuun sitten voikin jo tuntua.
Jossain pohjois-korean loikkareita käsittelevissä kirjoissa on kiinnostavia kuvauksia, joskin niidenkin juttujen todenperäisyyteen voi ja pitääkin suhtautua terveellä epäilyllä.
Miltähän tuntuu elää tommosessa todellisuudessa, siis silleen viralliseen propagandaan uskoen, kun välillä sit toi propagandatodellisuus rakoilee.
Tää nimenomainen keissi eli joku tekstinpätkä jossain televisiotiedoissa nyt tuskin on hirveän herättelevä, mutta hyvä kysymys muuten. Vaikka oikeastihan ihmisillä on tietty vahva taipumus olla rekisteröimättä omasta maailmankuvasta poikkeavaa informaatiota, eli ei varmaan sen kummoisemmalta tunnu. Tuontitavaroiden ja hintojen ampaisu nousuun sitten voikin jo tuntua.
Jossain pohjois-korean loikkareita käsittelevissä kirjoissa on kiinnostavia kuvauksia, joskin niidenkin juttujen todenperäisyyteen voi ja pitääkin suhtautua terveellä epäilyllä.
Jep, Pohjois-Koreassahan on ihan tässä viimeisen vuosikymmenen aikana se umpioituminen rapistunut merkittävästi kun Kiinasta vuotaa rajan yli medialaitteita, etelä-korealaista saippuaoopperaa ja muuta tämmöstä.
Venäjällä juhlitaan tänään Voitonpäivää. Mutta miten voitonpäivän juhlinta onnistuu kun rintamalla tilanne on hankala?
Haastateltavina Ulkopoliittisen instituutin vanhempi tutkija Jussi Lassila ja Ylen entinen Moskovan kirjeenvaihtaja Jarmo Koponen.
Venäjän hyökkäyssotaa Ukrainassa käyvä presidentti Vladimir Putin piti Punaisella torilla puheen Voitonpäivän kunniaksi.
"Tämä oli jollain tavalla viimeinen puhe jonka Putin piti. Hän tuhoaa nyt sen myytin tästä voitosta. Hän hyökkää Ukrainaan ja sitä ei osa venäläisistä ikinä hyväksy, että hän yritti tulla tällä vanhalla Neuvostoliitto-retoriikalla, mutta ei se mene Venäjällä läpi", Koponen toteaa.
Hän arvioi, että tällaisia Voitonpäivän juhlaa ei enää samassa muodossa vietetä, eikä hän usko, että Venäjä tässä muodossa enää säilyy.
Lassila pitää silmiinpistävänä, että Putin ei sanallakaan maininnut Ukrainasta. Putin ei ilmoittanut liikekannallepanosta ja sodan julistuksesta, mitä ennakkoon osin arvioitiin. Lassila arvioi, että sodan julkinen julistus ja reserviläisten kutsuminen sotaan ei olisi ollut kannattavaa.
"Tällaisessa tilanteessa kaikista Putinin silmänkääntötempuista huolimatta on vaikea uskottavasti myydä että kansakunta olisi uhattuna", Lassila kertoo.
Koponen arvioi, että liikekannallepano voi olla kuitenkin edessä aika piankin, koska tilanne rintamalla on hankala.
Lassila ja Koponen pohtivat myös miltä näyttää Venäjän tulevaisuus.
"Tämä on Neuvostoliiton hajoamisen traaginen loppunäytös", Lassila pohtii.
Lassilan mukaan Putin kiistää faktoja, kuten Neuvostoliiton hajoamisen 1991.
Huhuja Putinin vaihtamisesta on nähty kansainvälisessä mediassa. Onko lähtölaskenta alkanut?
Re: Putinin Venäjä
Posted: 09 May 2022, 21:32
by Iggy DOG
Ei tullut virallista liikekannallepanoa, mutta huhujen mukaan vapaaehtoisia aletaan haalitaan väkisin kasaan
Human rights organizations believe that such an initiative is one of the tools of the “hidden” mobilization led by the state.
The hotline of the Coalition for conscientious objection to military service received a message from the wife of an employee of the Moscow Metro. She sought the help of lawyers, as her husband was informed at work about a possible mobilization, "if there are not enough soldiers to be sent to the" special operation ".
Nestka contacted this woman. She requested anonymity and relayed a conversation that her husband had with his superiors.
“At a meeting in the metro depot, verbally, clearly, without double meanings, all men were ordered to undergo an extraordinary medical examination for subsequent possible sending to the war in Ukraine,” she said. - They referred to certain orders, decrees, orders of the authorities of the city of Moscow, the Ministry of Defense and the government of the Russian Federation, and the documents were not presented either for review or for review, they also did not collect signatures. It was precisely and clearly stated that the leadership is obliged to allocate a certain number of people for possible sending to the war.
She added that employees “without pressure, in between times” were threatened that those who disagreed could, at best, be fired, and at worst, they would face criminal liability “under the laws of wartime.”
According to human rights activists, such a recruitment of “volunteers” is evidence that mobilization in Russia is actually already underway, even if it has not been officially announced.
On the eve of May 9, the media and foreign politicians said that Russia might announce mobilization. This probability was reported by the head of the British Ministry of Defense Ben Wallace, as well as American and Western European informed sources of CNN. In their opinion , a formal declaration of war and mobilization would allow Putin to make up for the losses of the Russian army in Ukraine, which, according to CNN interlocutors, amount to at least 10,000 people.
Contrary to reports from foreign intelligence services, during his annual speech at the Victory Parade, Vladimir Putin said nothing about mobilization. But experts believe that in fact it is already in full swing.
“Just as a war goes on without a declaration of war, so mobilization goes on without a declaration of mobilization,” says Sergey Krivenko, coordinator of the Citizen and Army human rights initiative . We already see it. Throughout Russia, volunteers and contractors are recruited through military commissariats. I believe that the situation will continue to develop in the same vein.” According to the human rights activist, often volunteers are attracted to sign contracts, promising a large monetary reward.
“I recently spoke with a lawyer from the Moscow military commissariat. According to her, volunteers come to them every day,” says Krivenko. “It is a very difficult story with volunteers, it is a gray area. It is not clear how they are recruited, what contracts are concluded there, where they are sent for training. They are promised one thing, but in reality it is real cannon fodder.”
Aleksey Tabalov, director of the human rights organization School of the Conscript, explains: if mobilization were officially announced in Russia, then those who are in the reserve of the armed forces would first of all be drafted into the army. But so far nothing is known about such calls.
At the same time, according to Tabalov, Russians liable for military service began to be actively summoned to the military registration and enlistment offices and handed over a mobilization order - a document that obliges them, in the event of mobilization, to arrive at the appointed time for collection at the specified place, without waiting for additional summons.
“People are afraid that receiving such an order automatically means that they will be sent to war. No, this is a delusion. But nevertheless, the fact that an active process of issuing them has begun means that the Ministry of Defense wants to understand how many bayonets the Russian Federation can count on if war is declared, ”says Tabalov.
Human rights organizations believe that such an initiative is one of the tools of the “hidden” mobilization led by the state.
The hotline of the Coalition for conscientious objection to military service received a message from the wife of an employee of the Moscow Metro. She sought the help of lawyers, as her husband was informed at work about a possible mobilization, "if there are not enough soldiers to be sent to the" special operation ".
Nestka contacted this woman. She requested anonymity and relayed a conversation that her husband had with his superiors.
“At a meeting in the metro depot, verbally, clearly, without double meanings, all men were ordered to undergo an extraordinary medical examination for subsequent possible sending to the war in Ukraine,” she said. - They referred to certain orders, decrees, orders of the authorities of the city of Moscow, the Ministry of Defense and the government of the Russian Federation, and the documents were not presented either for review or for review, they also did not collect signatures. It was precisely and clearly stated that the leadership is obliged to allocate a certain number of people for possible sending to the war.
She added that employees “without pressure, in between times” were threatened that those who disagreed could, at best, be fired, and at worst, they would face criminal liability “under the laws of wartime.”
According to human rights activists, such a recruitment of “volunteers” is evidence that mobilization in Russia is actually already underway, even if it has not been officially announced.
On the eve of May 9, the media and foreign politicians said that Russia might announce mobilization. This probability was reported by the head of the British Ministry of Defense Ben Wallace, as well as American and Western European informed sources of CNN. In their opinion , a formal declaration of war and mobilization would allow Putin to make up for the losses of the Russian army in Ukraine, which, according to CNN interlocutors, amount to at least 10,000 people.
Contrary to reports from foreign intelligence services, during his annual speech at the Victory Parade, Vladimir Putin said nothing about mobilization. But experts believe that in fact it is already in full swing.
“Just as a war goes on without a declaration of war, so mobilization goes on without a declaration of mobilization,” says Sergey Krivenko, coordinator of the Citizen and Army human rights initiative . We already see it. Throughout Russia, volunteers and contractors are recruited through military commissariats. I believe that the situation will continue to develop in the same vein.” According to the human rights activist, often volunteers are attracted to sign contracts, promising a large monetary reward.
“I recently spoke with a lawyer from the Moscow military commissariat. According to her, volunteers come to them every day,” says Krivenko. “It is a very difficult story with volunteers, it is a gray area. It is not clear how they are recruited, what contracts are concluded there, where they are sent for training. They are promised one thing, but in reality it is real cannon fodder.”
Aleksey Tabalov, director of the human rights organization School of the Conscript, explains: if mobilization were officially announced in Russia, then those who are in the reserve of the armed forces would first of all be drafted into the army. But so far nothing is known about such calls.
At the same time, according to Tabalov, Russians liable for military service began to be actively summoned to the military registration and enlistment offices and handed over a mobilization order - a document that obliges them, in the event of mobilization, to arrive at the appointed time for collection at the specified place, without waiting for additional summons.
“People are afraid that receiving such an order automatically means that they will be sent to war. No, this is a delusion. But nevertheless, the fact that an active process of issuing them has begun means that the Ministry of Defense wants to understand how many bayonets the Russian Federation can count on if war is declared, ”says Tabalov.
Näppärää! Jos metron työläiset pakotetaan vapaaehtoisiksi sotilaiksi niin Moskovaan jääviä on helpompi kontrolloida kun eivät pääse sukkuloimaan maanalitse ympäri kaupunkia
Re: Putinin Venäjä
Posted: 09 May 2022, 22:24
by Pipo
Tostakin olis kyllä hyvä saada vahvistusta, jotenkin tuntuu erikoiselta että nimenomaan pääkaupungin metrotyöntekijöitä alettaisiin erikseen patistamaan riveihin jos kuitenkin jossain periferian kaupungeissa riittää ukkoa.
Tietty jos kyse on jostain muutamasta tyypistä niin ei kai siin sitten.
Human rights organizations believe that such an initiative is one of the tools of the “hidden” mobilization led by the state.
The hotline of the Coalition for conscientious objection to military service received a message from the wife of an employee of the Moscow Metro. She sought the help of lawyers, as her husband was informed at work about a possible mobilization, "if there are not enough soldiers to be sent to the" special operation ".
Nestka contacted this woman. She requested anonymity and relayed a conversation that her husband had with his superiors.
“At a meeting in the metro depot, verbally, clearly, without double meanings, all men were ordered to undergo an extraordinary medical examination for subsequent possible sending to the war in Ukraine,” she said. - They referred to certain orders, decrees, orders of the authorities of the city of Moscow, the Ministry of Defense and the government of the Russian Federation, and the documents were not presented either for review or for review, they also did not collect signatures. It was precisely and clearly stated that the leadership is obliged to allocate a certain number of people for possible sending to the war.
She added that employees “without pressure, in between times” were threatened that those who disagreed could, at best, be fired, and at worst, they would face criminal liability “under the laws of wartime.”
According to human rights activists, such a recruitment of “volunteers” is evidence that mobilization in Russia is actually already underway, even if it has not been officially announced.
On the eve of May 9, the media and foreign politicians said that Russia might announce mobilization. This probability was reported by the head of the British Ministry of Defense Ben Wallace, as well as American and Western European informed sources of CNN. In their opinion , a formal declaration of war and mobilization would allow Putin to make up for the losses of the Russian army in Ukraine, which, according to CNN interlocutors, amount to at least 10,000 people.
Contrary to reports from foreign intelligence services, during his annual speech at the Victory Parade, Vladimir Putin said nothing about mobilization. But experts believe that in fact it is already in full swing.
“Just as a war goes on without a declaration of war, so mobilization goes on without a declaration of mobilization,” says Sergey Krivenko, coordinator of the Citizen and Army human rights initiative . We already see it. Throughout Russia, volunteers and contractors are recruited through military commissariats. I believe that the situation will continue to develop in the same vein.” According to the human rights activist, often volunteers are attracted to sign contracts, promising a large monetary reward.
“I recently spoke with a lawyer from the Moscow military commissariat. According to her, volunteers come to them every day,” says Krivenko. “It is a very difficult story with volunteers, it is a gray area. It is not clear how they are recruited, what contracts are concluded there, where they are sent for training. They are promised one thing, but in reality it is real cannon fodder.”
Aleksey Tabalov, director of the human rights organization School of the Conscript, explains: if mobilization were officially announced in Russia, then those who are in the reserve of the armed forces would first of all be drafted into the army. But so far nothing is known about such calls.
At the same time, according to Tabalov, Russians liable for military service began to be actively summoned to the military registration and enlistment offices and handed over a mobilization order - a document that obliges them, in the event of mobilization, to arrive at the appointed time for collection at the specified place, without waiting for additional summons.
“People are afraid that receiving such an order automatically means that they will be sent to war. No, this is a delusion. But nevertheless, the fact that an active process of issuing them has begun means that the Ministry of Defense wants to understand how many bayonets the Russian Federation can count on if war is declared, ”says Tabalov.
Näppärää! Jos metron työläiset pakotetaan vapaaehtoisiksi sotilaiksi niin Moskovaan jääviä on helpompi kontrolloida kun eivät pääse sukkuloimaan maanalitse ympäri kaupunkia
Eikun äkkiä pitää palkata uudet työntekijät metroon. Että on sit lähettää tilalle kun nää nykyiset laitetaan ukrainassa pakastimeen.
Tostakin olis kyllä hyvä saada vahvistusta, jotenkin tuntuu erikoiselta että nimenomaan pääkaupungin metrotyöntekijöitä alettaisiin erikseen patistamaan riveihin jos kuitenkin jossain periferian kaupungeissa riittää ukkoa.
Tietty jos kyse on jostain muutamasta tyypistä niin ei kai siin sitten.
Venäjän väestörakenne on vähän semmonen että siellä periferian kaupungeissa: ei riitä ukkoa. Tai siis ei riitä jotain 18-30 -vuotiaita. Ne on pitkälti isoissa hyvinvoivissa kaupungeissa, ja niitä on ylipäätään suht vähän.
Re: Putinin Venäjä
Posted: 09 May 2022, 22:30
by Isä Ted
Maxim Katz yhdessä videossaan juurikin spekuloi, että liikekannallepanon sijaan tiedossa on julkisten alojen työntekijöiden maanittelua, painostusta ja huijaamista rintamalle esimiestensä toimesta.
