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Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 11 May 2022, 19:52
by Lusku
Yhdysvalloissa lähti liikkeelle lakialoite, joka nimeäisi Venäjän "roistovaltioksi" ("state sponsor of terrorism")


Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 11 May 2022, 20:19
by ..
äää wrote:
11 May 2022, 19:46
Veijo Dunning-Kruger wrote:
11 May 2022, 19:42
äää wrote:
11 May 2022, 19:27
aseapua Ukrainaan
eikä tarvitse edes miettiä kuolonuhreja
Kukaan ei ajattele kuolonuhreja joiden pesukonevarkaus- ja kansanmurhahommat ikävästi kuoleman takia estyi. :roll:
tarkoitin siis jenkkien omia, kun siellä ei oo jenkit suoraan sotimassa
#-o Roger. Olin näköjään taas vähän tyhmä. #-o

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 11 May 2022, 21:05
by zache
Venäjälle tuli pieni hidaste liittää Etelä-Ossetia osaksi Venäjää siinä, että opposition edustaja joka haluaisi Etelä-Ossetiasta itsenäisen meni voittamaan pressanvaalit. Vanha pressa Anatoly Bibilov tosin sanoi tappiopuheessaan, että referendum pidetään silti, koska hän viimeisimpinä tekoinaan pisti kaikki tarvittavat tiketit postiin oikeuslaitokselle ja nyt vaan odotellaan et ne kertoo päivämäärän.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5347755?from=glavnoe_3
Kommersant / Google translate wrote:
"People want laws to be obeyed"

11.5.2022, Lana Parastaeva, Tskhinvali; Olga Kirillova

What the people of South Ossetia expect from the opposition candidate who won the presidential election

As reported on Wednesday in the CEC of South Ossetia, the inauguration of the opposition candidate winning the presidential election Alan Gagloev will take place after May 21, when 100% of the ballots will be processed. According to the results of counting 97% of the ballots, 54.2% of voters voted for him. Incumbent President Anatoly Bibilov (43.5% of the vote) admitted defeat. Thus, South Ossetia managed to avoid the crisis predicted by many around possible disagreements over the counting of votes. Kommersant found out what is expected from the new president in the republic.

Alan Gagloev's supporters began celebrating the victory on the evening of May 8, shortly after the polling stations closed, when observers from the Nykhas party he leads began to publish data coming from there. Already at 23:20, the current president of South Ossetia, Anatoly Bibilov, told reporters that he respected the choice of the people and wished his opponent success. “I really hope that everything will work out for him,” Mr. Bibilov said. His statement meant that there would be no confrontation around possible fraud, which many in the republic feared. Recall that on the eve of the first round of elections , opposition candidates announced violations of the electoral law and accused the president of trying to retain power by any means.

On May 10, Alan Gagloev was congratulated by a telegram by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who expressed hope for the strengthening of interstate relations "based on the principles of alliance and strategic partnership."

Alan Gagloev was born on February 6, 1981. He studied at the Tskhinvali secondary school No. 12, then at the specialized gymnasium "Elite". In 1997 he entered the Faculty of Economics of Alexander Tibilov South Ossetian University (full-time) and at the same time graduated in absentia from the Faculty of Law of the same university. After completing his studies, he studied for a year at courses under the personnel training program under the President of Russia (in Vladikavkaz). He began his career in the first half of the 2000s at the Ministry of Economic Development of South Ossetia, having worked for two years in the department for supporting small and medium-sized businesses and antimonopoly policy, and then was hired by the republican KGB, where he first oversaw economic security, and later transferred to the unit for the protection of the constitutional order. Mr. Gagloev served in the State Security Committee for more than 15 years and retired with the rank of lieutenant colonel. In 2017, he ran for the presidency of the republic from the Alan Union organization, gaining 10.17% of the vote. In the same 2017, the Alan Union was transformed into a party, but the Ministry of Justice of the republic refused to register it. The Supreme Court, where the Alan Union filed a lawsuit, upheld the decision of the Ministry of Justice. In 2019, on the eve of the parliamentary elections, the Alan Union merged with the Nykhas parliamentary party and the New Ossetia party. The new party was called "Nykhas", during the parliamentary elections it was headed by the former Foreign Minister of South Ossetia, oppositionist David Sanakoev. In 2020, at the party congress, Alan Gagloev was elected its leader. Nykhas formed an opposition bloc in the parliament,

One of the main reasons for the defeat of Anatoly Bibilov in the elections in the republic is the case of Inal Dzhabiev, who died as a result of torture in the local Ministry of Internal Affairs. This tragedy shocked the small South Ossetian society. “Among the detained employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is not a single one who would be accused of killing Inal Dzhabiev,” opposition deputy David Sanakoev told Kommersant. “It turns out that the man was killed, but the people who tortured him were not punished.” Mr. Sanakoev and a group of opposition deputies blocked the work of the parliament for several months in protest against the "biased investigation into the Dzhabiev case."

“People want the laws to be enforced so that our citizens are protected,” says David Sanakoev. “Therefore, everyone expects justice from the new president in relation to the family of Inal Dzhabiev. Those who broke the law and did not answer for it should be punished. The inevitability of punishment must be obvious. So that it would be disrespectful to those who come to high positions to fulfill the will of some rulers contrary to the law.

Inal Dzhabiev's widow, Oksana Sotieva, who, along with his mother, protested for several months in the main Tskhinvali square against the delay in the investigation, told Kommersant that many in the republic are waiting for a new investigation into the murder of her husband. “I kept waiting for this government to change, and the investigation into the murder of Inal began anew, and that all those involved in his death were punished according to the law, and the actions of each employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were given a legal assessment. Many people in South Ossetia expect this from the new president.”

It is necessary to improve the personnel policy, says Garry Muldarov, the leader of the deputy association "For Justice", who participated in the first round of the presidential elections and supported the candidacy of Mr. Gagloev in the second round:

“It is necessary to restore the trust of the people in state institutions, in law enforcement agencies, it is necessary to eradicate nepotism so that problems are solved not by call, but by law. I think that Alan Gagloev can do it, although it will not be easy. If he picks up an effective team, then in a few years it will be possible to cope with this.

David Sanakoev is also waiting for new people: “I hope that new figures will appear on the political field, this is necessary for South Ossetia. We have already seen that the usurpation of the legislative, executive, judiciary and media in the same hands leads to collapse. We need to make sure this doesn't happen again. For the parliament to become more alive, for there to be an opposition, because this is the only way to achieve development. So that South Ossetia is perceived not as a black hole, but as a place where one can live and develop. Over the past five years, South Ossetia has not made a single step forward. People are waiting for economic and political development to begin, for social institutions to develop.”

South Ossetia needs to get out of the economic stagnation in which it has been for many years, Gennady Kokoev, former minister of economy of the republic, lecturer in the department of finance and credit at the South Ossetian State University, also believes. According to him, the republic needs to "create jobs, develop the social sphere, and support demographic projects." “We need to pay attention to the agricultural sector,” Mr. Kokoev shared his thoughts with Kommersant. branch of the economy. We also need a program-targeted approach to the development of industry and hydropower.” According to the expert, these are the priorities proclaimed in the program of socio-economic development of South Ossetia, adopted at the end of last year and calculated until 2025. “I am sure that the change of the leadership of the republic will not affect the implementation of this program,” the expert believes. “The new president is an economist by education, so I have positive expectations from his work.”

“Gagloev was lucky, he was a protest candidate, some people voted not for him, but against Anatoly Bibilov,” summarizes blogger Alik Pukhaev, a well-known blogger in South and North Ossetia. “So there are no high expectations from the election of Alan Gagloev as president in society.”

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 11 May 2022, 22:19
by Sun äitis
Isä Ted wrote:
11 May 2022, 18:07
eh wrote:
11 May 2022, 18:00
Nythän kaikki onkin sitten selvää! Big Pharma rahoittaa demokraattipuoluetta, jonka johtohahmot Obamasta Sorokseen käskevät valtionhallintoa, joka jakaa tehtävät yksityisille säätiöille sun muille, jotka rahoittavat paikallisia toimijoita ja jossain välissä syntyy biologisia aseita tai en tiiä.
Sinänsä ihan ovelaa, yritetään saada jenkeissä eripuraa Ukrainan auttamisen suhteen. Saas nähdä tarttuuko Trump syöttiin.
Ainakin latvakakkos-hörhö-osasto saa lisää tuulta purjeisiin, "Kattokaa nyt, Putinkin tietää jo, ollaan oltu oikeassa koko ajan!"

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 11 May 2022, 22:30
by eh
Foreign Affairsissä hyvä juttu siitä, kuinka Putin ei enää hallitse silovikien avulla niin kuin aiemmin, vaan kasvottoman ja teknokraattisen turvallisuusbyrokratian.
Nina Hrutševa/Foreign Affairs wrote:Another coup, either in the Kremlin corridors or on the streets of Moscow, is not likely. The only group that could conceivably unseat the president is the FSB, which is still technically run by nationalist siloviki who understand that some foreign policy flexibility is necessary for internal development. But such officials are no longer the FSB’s future. The indistinct body of security technocrats now in charge is obsessed with total control, no matter the national or international consequences.

The last time the Kremlin built such an all-controlling state, under Andropov’s leadership in the early 1980s, it unraveled when the security forces relaxed their grip and allowed reform. Putin knows that story well and is unlikely to risk the same outcome. And even without him, the system he built would remain in place, sustained by the new security cohort—unless a 1980s Afghanistan-style debacle in Ukraine destroys it all. With this bureaucracy holding tight to power, Moscow’s foreign adventurism might abate. But as long as the structure holds steady, Russia will remain oppressed, isolated, and unfree.
edit: Vähän pistää epäilyttämään tosin, kun kirjoittaja on oikonut kriittisessä yksityiskohdassa noin.
Boris Yeltsin, the first president of post-Soviet Russia, considered communism, not the KGB, to be the greater evil. He thought that simply changing the name of the KGB to the FSB would change the organization, too, allowing it to become more benevolent and less controlling.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 10:30
by zache
1420 kyselee tunteeko ihmiset porukkaa joka on rintamalla. Osa tuntee, jotkut ukrainalaiset vastaa et tuntevat jengiä ukrainan puolella. Aika laajalla skaalalla tulee vastauksia.
1420 wrote: 12.5.2022, Did they send your friends to the conflict?

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 19:30
by Marxin Ryyppy
Tiiä sitten mihin ketjuun pitäis pistää, mutta Putinista ja sen länsipuolustajista hyvä ketju:



Koko ketju Threadreaderista: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1524 ... 68960.html

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 19:58
by Boston Brahmin sangfroid
No en nyt tiedä. Tuo Minskin sopimuksen dissaaminen on 2022 näkökulmasta aika väsynyttä. Ukrainan armeija on vahvistunut tuona aikana paljon enemmän kuin mitä Venäjän, 7 vuotta sitten erityisoperaatio olisi hyvinkin voinut onnistua. Se että ei hahmota millainen hyöty tämä aikalisä on ollut Ukrainalle paitsi sotilaallisesti myös integroitumisessa länteen diplomaattisesti ja taloudellisesti (mikä on sillain aika oleellista senkin kannalta, että lännen pakotteet Venäjää kohtaan ja aseapu Ukrainalle ovat edes tällä tasolla kuin ovat), ei anna kommentaattorista kovin hyvää kuvaa.

Ja mitä tuohon Hitler-analogiaan tulee, niin jos Aatulla olisi ollut Putinin ydinasearsenaali, se olisi käyttänyt sen 1945 jokaista kärkeä myöten ennemmin kuin tunnustanut tappionsa. Eli jos on oikeasti sitä mieltä, että Putin = Hitler 2.0, niin sitten on syytä myös lähteä siitä, että Putinin lyöminen tarkoittaa Full HD ydinsotaa.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 20:00
by Balam-Acab
ehkä putinin hitleriin rinnastusten ei tarvii olla mitään viimesen päälle hiottua hitler-tiedettä

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 20:21
by Dame Cressida Dick
Pumpelipöri wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:00
ehkä putinin hitleriin rinnastusten ei tarvii olla mitään viimesen päälle hiottua hitler-tiedettä
Vittuilun tieteellisyyden vaatimukset on korkeat 2022.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 20:43
by Boston Brahmin sangfroid
Pumpelipöri wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:00
ehkä putinin hitleriin rinnastusten ei tarvii olla mitään viimesen päälle hiottua hitler-tiedettä
No ei, mutta kun on olemassa porukkaa, jolle se rinnastus on paitsi aivan kurantti myös aika lailla ainut argumentti, ja kaikki muu kuin täysillä päätyyn meneminen on näille jorkeille saman tien myöntyväisyyspolitiikkaa ja sitten mainitaan München 1938, Neville Chamberlain ja oletetaan että väittely on sillä voitettu. Muistan saatana vieläkin sen Jaakko Puuperän aivan to-del-la raskaan tekstin 2015 jota jakoivat paitsi turpo-erikoisjorkit myös aivan liian moni ihan oikeustoimikelpoinen tapaus. Sen sisältö oli pelkästään se että Minsk = München, länsi hylkäsi Ukrainan Putinin armoille joten Ukraina on nyt varppina mennyttä eikä mene aikaakaan kun Putin hyökkää seuraavan uhrinsa kimppuun. No nyt on mennyt 7 vuotta, Ukrainan tie ei todellakaan ollut Tšekkoslovakian tie 1938-9 mutta se ei estä näitä alarmisteja meuhkaamasta että jos Ukraina ei voita tätä sotaa täydellisesti Venäjä hyökkää seuraavan uhrinsa kimppuun hetkenä minä hyvänsä.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 20:50
by Hyödytön idiootti
Pumpelipöri wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:00
ehkä putinin hitleriin rinnastusten ei tarvii olla mitään viimesen päälle hiottua hitler-tiedettä
Kukahan se jossain sanoi, että miksi käyttää putleria, eiköhän historiaan jää putin tarkoittamaan pahuutta, ei tässä tarvii tätä kaveria muihin verrata.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 20:56
by Trollface-mies
Mää en muuten jaksa lukee enää yhtä ainutta twitter-ketjua jossa joku selittää että "naiivit länsimaalaiset ei ikinä ole tajunneet tätäkään juttua Venäjästä/Putinista/tästä sodasta, mutta minäpä vähän valaisen asiaa koska mulla on tietoo".

En siis ole moittimassa niiden postaamista, tuli nyt vaan tämmönen olo ja tunsin tarvetta todeta että itsellä tais tulla kiintiö täyteen tän sodan ja siihen liittyvien teemojen osalta. Olen varmaan itsekin sanonut jossain kohtaa jotain tonsuuntaista mutta tunnetusti olen tekopyhä yksilö.

Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 21:33
by Rasmus-mafioso
Verisyöpää huhutaan.


Re: Putinin Venäjä

Posted: 12 May 2022, 21:42
by Zelenskyin teräksiset boltsit
Rasmus-mafioso wrote:
12 May 2022, 21:33
Verisyöpää huhutaan.

En kyllä usko mitään näitä huhuja parkinsoneista ja eri syövistä. Vanheneehan tuo eikä elä ikuisesti ja seiskakybäsellä voi olla hyvinkin kroonisia vaivoja mutta kaikki nää on arvailua.

Toivottavasti on pahat peräpukamat ja raivokas genitaaliherpes nyt aluksi ja syöpähuhuista syöpä persäsuolessa olis sopiva.