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#20266 Post by ontuva hollantilainen » 08 Dec 2019, 12:34

Don Pipari wrote:
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mistä tässä labourin antisemitismissä nyt on kyse?
Pääasiassa siionistien yrityksestä vaimentaa kaikki Israeliin kohdistuva kritiikki antisemitismin nojalla.
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#20267 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 08 Dec 2019, 12:38

Konservatiivien aseman suurimpana puolueena voi kai jo kuuluttaa kirkossa, mutta enemmistö ei ole missään nimessä varma. Toryjenvastaiset voimat lietsovat nyt äänestäjiä taktikoimaan, jotta Johnson saadaan pidettyä poissa pääministerin virka-asunnosta ja uusi Brexit-äänestys agendalla. Taktikoimaan kannustavat muun muassa konservatiivien entinen pääministeri John Major ja Tony Blair.

Tuoreen äänestäjäanalyysin perusteella Johnsonin mahdollinen enemmistö parlamentissa on paljon heikommissa kantimissa kuin mitä gallupeista voisi lukea.

Also: Boris Johnsonin palli on vaarassa heilua omalla kotikentällä. Toivottavasti kaikki Lontoon veneasujat lähtevät kaatamaan pääministeriä.
Guardian wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-tightens
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The calls from senior Labour, Liberal Democrat and SNP figures come as a major poll suggests Johnson’s likely majority has been cut in half in the last two weeks – from 82 a fortnight ago to just 40 with four days to polling day.

The analysis of almost 30,000 voters, for the pro-EU Best for Britain campaign, also finds that tactical votes by as few as 40,700 people in 36 key seats could prevent Johnson from forming a majority government.
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The special polling analysis concludes that if tactical voting keeps the Tories out in the three dozen seats, the Conservatives would have 309 MPs, Labour 255, the SNP 49, the Lib Dems 14, Plaid Cymru three and the Greens one. To guarantee a majority, a governing party needs 325 MPs.
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On Saturday night, there were further signs that Johnson faces a close race against Labour in his Uxbridge and South Ruislip seat, where the Lib Dems are said to be “doing no more campaigning” so as not to take votes from the Labour candidate, Ali Milani.
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Eli kyllä se jännittäminen menee äänestysiltaan asti.

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#20268 Post by Doctor Muñiz » 08 Dec 2019, 13:31

ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 12:34
Don Pipari wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 12:30
mistä tässä labourin antisemitismissä nyt on kyse?
Pääasiassa siionistien yrityksestä vaimentaa kaikki Israeliin kohdistuva kritiikki antisemitismin nojalla.
Juu esim. tällaisten työväenpuoluetta lähes sata vuotta tukeneiden sionistien:
Jewish Labour Movement no longer backs own party

Members ‘down tools’ in election campaign over party’s failure to quell antisemitism

The Jewish Labour Movement has “downed tools” in the election campaign and declined to back the party it has supported for almost a century, because of Jeremy Corbyn’s refusal to stamp out antisemitism, the organisation’s chairman says.

With days to go before Thursday’s general election, Mike Katz, JLM’s chairman, says its members concluded “a while ago that Jeremy Corbyn is not fit to be prime minister” because his party was “failing its Jewish members and tolerating antisemitism”. Writing for the Observer, Katz adds: “The Jewish Labour Movement – a founding affiliate of the party, nearly a century ago – has for the first time effectively downed tools for the election, campaigning only for exceptional candidates who have been the best of allies to us in our fight against the party’s anti- Jewish racism.”

He says he and others have told Corbyn and his team until they are “blue in the face” of the problems and strength of feeling among British Jews, but have been met with “obfuscation, denial and delay”.

Scores of serving and former Labour officials have given sworn statements about antisemitism in the party as part of evidence submitted to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is investigating the issue. In May this year, the commission announced an inquiry under section 20 of the Equality Act 2006, having carried out preliminary investigations.

Last week, final submissions from the JLM to the inquiry were leaked to the media, including 70 sworn testimonies from current and ex-party staffers. These include detailed allegations of antisemitic abuse at party meetings and by members online.

The submissions also allege political interference in the disciplinary process by Jeremy Corbyn’s office, despite Labour’s insistence that the leadership has not got involved.

In particular, they claim that the supposed separation between the leader’s office and the party’s complaints unit broke down in August 2018 and that a staffer was instructed via WhatsApp to upload complaints on to USB sticks for the leader’s office to examine and make recommendations for future action.

In his article, Katz says: “The witness statements from members show that the all-pervading culture of antisemitism is present in all parts of the party; local party meetings, party conferences, online forums, the disciplinary processes and its officials.”

On Tuesday, Corbyn apologised for antisemitic incidents that involved Labour members and said he was dealing with the issue. “Obviously, I’m very sorry for what has happened,” he said after being asked to apologise in an interview on ITV’s This Morning programme.
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#20269 Post by Doctor Muñiz » 08 Dec 2019, 13:45

Tässä esimerkkejä Israeliin kohdistuvasta kritiikistä:
Seventy Labour staffers give statements to antisemitism inquiry

Jewish Labour Movement’s leaked EHRC submission says party is in ‘dangerous place’

Scores of serving and former Labour officials have given sworn statements about antisemitism in the party as part of evidence submitted to the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s investigation into the issue.

The final submissions on behalf of the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) to the inquiry, which were leaked to the media on Thursday, include 70 sworn testimonies from current and former staffers, and concludes that “the Labour party is no longer a safe space for Jewish people”.

“It is plain that the party does not consider the race and religion of Judaism to be a characteristic worthy of protection,” it says. “This is a very dangerous place to be.”

In the overarching submission from the JLM, there are detailed allegations of antisemitic abuse at party meetings and by members online, including:

● One respondent who listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse at party meetings where he was called “child killer”, “Zio scum”, and “Tory Jew” as well as being told “Hitler was right” and that he was “good with money”.
● Another who witnessed a comment at a ward meeting that “the only reason we have prostitutes in Seven Sisters is because of the Jews”.
● One member reported that other members defended an individual when they said it was “over-representation of Jews in the capitalist ruling class that gives the Israel-Zionist lobby its power”.
● A parliamentary candidate who described a councillor being told by a fellow member to go home and count their money after being deselected.
● A speaker at a fringe event at the 2017 Labour conference asserting the right to discuss whether the Holocaust happened.
● One respondent reported that the membership secretary in South Tottenham, north London, objected to 25 applications for membership from the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, and required home visits to these prospective members’ houses.

The submission also alleges political interference in the disciplinary process by Jeremy Corbyn’s office, despite Labour’s insistence that the leadership has not got involved.

In particular, it claims that any separation between the leader’s office and the party’s complaints unit broke down in August 2018 and a staffer was instructed via WhatsApp to upload complaints on to USB sticks for leader’s office employees to examine and make recommendations for future action.

The submission says it was a “frequent occurrence” for leader’s office staff to ask to be copied in on complaints and make recommendations on sanctions.

It also claims that a former employee from Corbyn’s office said a narrative had taken hold among staffers that complaints about antisemitism were part of a “Jewish conspiracy” against the leadership.

A Labour party spokeswoman strongly disputed the allegations. She said: “Any former staff would not know how our procedures currently work, after significant reforms, and former MPs’ staff or others who have not worked on disciplinary procedures would not have knowledge of those procedures or the numbers of cases.

“This document includes baseless assumptions about current staff’s workload and the untrue allegations about outstanding cases. The Labour party is not institutionally antisemitic and complaints relate to a small minority of our members.

“We have significantly reformed our procedures over the past year, including recently adopting a proposal by Jeremy Corbyn for rapid expulsions, which allows individuals to be expelled within a matter of weeks in open and shut cases.”

The party stressed that antisemitism was an “evil” that it was committed to rooting out, and said it was fully cooperating with the EHRC.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Thursday, James Libson, a lawyer representing the Jewish Labour Movement (JLM) and a partner at the law firm Mishcon de Reya, said interference in cases had become institutional.

“Institutional in the sense that people affiliated with the leader’s office – and now in the actual unit that are investigating – and that at a more basic level, information is passing between the leader’s office and investigating unit,” he said.

He added: “Passed by USB sticks, by WhatsApp groups, secret WhatsApp groups.”

When asked whether Corbyn’s assertion that every case of antisemitism had been dealt with was incorrect, Libson replied: “Very much so.”

He said: “There are many, many outstanding complaints, many examples of interference and many examples of double standards in the way in which complaints are processed.”

Labour denies there is a backlog of antisemitism complaints, but it has not released an updated figure for how many are ongoing.

Its case to the EHRC will be that no allegations amount to unlawful acts by the Labour party and there is therefore no basis for the claim that there could be a finding of institutional racism.

Speaking at a press conference organised to respond to the leak of the document, Sam Matthews, Labour’s former head of complaints, said there had first been an influx of reports of antisemitism in the party during Corbyn’s second leadership campaign.

Referring to the account of Jewish people’s membership applications being questioned in South Tottenham, he said: “Revelations about how Jeremy’s closest aides act are not surprising to me because I witnessed it first-hand for years, but the thing that stuck out to me and made me quite upset is the way in which that culture that we are talking about is empowering people across the country at a local level to think that that is OK inside the Labour party.”

He added: “There will inevitably be a concerted campaign to try and dismiss this as a politically motivated smear against Jeremy or against the current leadership or against a certain type pf politics, and I would implore anybody reading this document to come at it with fresh eyes and to engage with it with their conscience plugged in as they think about how they’re voting next week.”

The JLM source said the organisation did not know where the leak had come from and that a wide group of people had seen the document last week after it was submitted. “It could have come from EHRC, members of JLM or from the lawyers,” they said. “We just don’t know who.”

On Tuesday, Corbyn apologised for antisemitic incidents that involved Labour members and said he was dealing with the issue. “Obviously I’m very sorry for what has happened,” he said after being asked to apologise directly in an interview on ITV’s This Morning programme.

On Thursday, the shadow housing secretary, John Healey, insisted Labour had “toughened up” its approach to tackling antisemitism.

He told Today: “Having been too slow and too weak at the start, the action being taken now has been toughened up. An in-house lawyer, special appeal panels to deal with complaints, new fast-track expulsion powers that are being used. I’m confident that cases coming in are being dealt with and if they are coming in they will be dealt with.”

Healey apologised to the Jewish community, who he said “feel let down” by the way Labour had handled cases of antisemitism in the party.
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#20270 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 08 Dec 2019, 21:43

Good old Nigel Farage ei aiokaan poistua politiikasta Brexitin jälkeen :sad1x: Farage on julkistanut seuraavan ukotuspuolueensa nimen olevan Reformipuolue, joksi Brexit-bileet muuttuvat EU:sta poistumisen jälkeen.
BBC wrote: General election 2019: Farage promises Reform Party after Brexit
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50704706

The Brexit Party will change its name to the Reform Party after the UK leaves the European Union, leader Nigel Farage has said.

It will campaign for changes to the voting system and the abolition of the House of Lords, he told Sky News.

Mr Farage, who has already registered the new party name, said it would "change politics for good".

The announcement comes after a week in which the Brexit Party lost four Members of the European Parliament.

One of the MEPs, Annunziata Rees-Mogg, warned that "the Brexit Party are permitting votes to go away from the Conservatives, providing us with a Remain coalition that will do anything not to honour the Brexit referendum".
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#20271 Post by jalo villi » 08 Dec 2019, 21:49

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08 Dec 2019, 21:43
Good old Nigel Farage ei aiokaan poistua politiikasta Brexitin jälkeen :sad1x: Farage on julkistanut seuraavan ukotuspuolueensa nimen olevan Reformipuolue, joksi Brexit-bileet muuttuvat EU:sta poistumisen jälkeen.
BBC wrote: General election 2019: Farage promises Reform Party after Brexit
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50704706

The Brexit Party will change its name to the Reform Party after the UK leaves the European Union, leader Nigel Farage has said.

It will campaign for changes to the voting system and the abolition of the House of Lords, he told Sky News.

Mr Farage, who has already registered the new party name, said it would "change politics for good".

The announcement comes after a week in which the Brexit Party lost four Members of the European Parliament.

One of the MEPs, Annunziata Rees-Mogg, warned that "the Brexit Party are permitting votes to go away from the Conservatives, providing us with a Remain coalition that will do anything not to honour the Brexit referendum".
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suomessahan meillä jo onkin tämä reformi puolue ry

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#20272 Post by Ajattelija » 08 Dec 2019, 23:00

Miksei toi tyyppi mene ja kaappaa UKIP:ia takaisin vai onko niiden linja oikeasti liikaa tolle. Toi kyhäelmä kun sopisi jo Brexitin jälkeisenäkin aikana
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#20273 Post by ontuva hollantilainen » 08 Dec 2019, 23:37

Doctor Muñiz wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 13:45
Tässä esimerkkejä Israeliin kohdistuvasta kritiikistä:
No nuo esimerkit kyllä kieltämättä ihan puhdasta antisemitismiä.
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#20274 Post by Hulluttelu Kuutio » 09 Dec 2019, 07:35

Melkein varavaltuutettu wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 23:00
Miksei toi tyyppi mene ja kaappaa UKIP:ia takaisin vai onko niiden linja oikeasti liikaa tolle. Toi kyhäelmä kun sopisi jo Brexitin jälkeisenäkin aikana
Liian vaivalloista, helpompi perustella uusia puolueita.
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#20275 Post by viemärilabyrintti » 09 Dec 2019, 07:58

Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 07:35
Melkein varavaltuutettu wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 23:00
Miksei toi tyyppi mene ja kaappaa UKIP:ia takaisin vai onko niiden linja oikeasti liikaa tolle. Toi kyhäelmä kun sopisi jo Brexitin jälkeisenäkin aikana
Liian vaivalloista, helpompi perustella uusia puolueita.
Ja ilman puolueohjelmaa 35% kannatus vai mitä se Brexit-bileet nautti kun ilmestyivät puoluekartalle :tuuliviiri:
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#20276 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 09 Dec 2019, 11:28

Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 07:35
Melkein varavaltuutettu wrote:
08 Dec 2019, 23:00
Miksei toi tyyppi mene ja kaappaa UKIP:ia takaisin vai onko niiden linja oikeasti liikaa tolle. Toi kyhäelmä kun sopisi jo Brexitin jälkeisenäkin aikana
Liian vaivalloista, helpompi perustella uusia puolueita.
Ukip on myös nykyisin sisällöltään ja imagoltaan syvän päädyn kamaa. Faragea taitaa ihan aidosti hirvittää nykyaikainen katurasismi ja -fasismi kuten valtaosaa muistakin konservatiivisen pään tyypeistä vaikka päässä olisikin rasismia ja fasismia tukevia ajatusmalleja. (Valkoisia) englantilaisia vähäisemmille kansoille sekä alemmille yhteiskuntaluokille pitäisi osoittaa paikkansa sivistyneemmin brittiläisen (lue englantilaisen) imperiumin hengessä.

Uusi puolue(en nimi), vanhat kujeet. Saas nähdä mikä Faragen uskottavuus on jatkossa tämän viimeisimmän venkoilun jälkeen. Ukipista hän pääsi irtautumaan kuivin jaloin, kun meininki liikkui liian sakoisaan suuntaan, mutta Brexit-bileissä hän on harrastanut diktaattorin elkein puolueen aktiivien päälle paskantamista. Eikä tästä kauan ole kun Farage antoi viimeksi ymmärtää jättävänsä politiikan Brexitin jälkeen.

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#20277 Post by Darkthronen tunnettu Hiisi » 09 Dec 2019, 12:23

Guardianilla kohtuu hyvä artikkeli. TL;DR: "Ihan vittu kuka tahansa paitti Johnson plz"

E: Oho, mitähämmä ny painelin. Elikkäs tossa linkki, vähän pitkä kopsattavaksi.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... o-vote-for

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On Thursday voters have the chance to strip power from a dangerous charlatan. We abhor Corbyn’s failures on antisemitism; we recall Lib Dem complicity in the dreadful policies of the coalition government; we are no allies of the cause of Scottish and Welsh independence. But we urge our readers to exercise their judgment and, as their conscience allows, vote for the pro-referendum, progressive candidate most likely to deny Johnson the opportunity to wreak existential damage on our country.
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#20278 Post by Hulluttelu Kuutio » 09 Dec 2019, 12:29

olin tulossa postaamaan tylyä loppukaneettia, mutta ehdit editoida :elmuri:
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#20279 Post by Hulluttelu Kuutio » 09 Dec 2019, 12:31

Melko synkkä/hieno pääkirjoitus kyllä hemmetti, tämmöinenkin:
It is disgraceful that more than 40 years after the Race Relations Act, both main parties are stained by charges of institutional racism. Many of our readers will be grappling with their consciences about voting for Labour. This is a sign that they take racism seriously, not that they care little about child poverty and homelessness.

Our political honour code is breaking down. This post-truth election is a taster of what could be to come; Johnson would take us further into the abyss. That is why he has succeeded in achieving the extraordinary: uniting a former Conservative prime minister, John Major, with his Labour successor, Tony Blair, in a call to voters to turf him out.
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#20280 Post by vox sipuli » 09 Dec 2019, 12:37

Barry Christmaspeas wrote:
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we are no allies of the cause of Scottish and Welsh independence.
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