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Tulee vaan mieleen sellanen Mad Max-leffasarjan maailmanlopun ikuinen suspended annihilation -tila.Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 15:50Tossa samassa artikkelissa muuten paalutetaan taas yksi brexit-deadline, mutta viitsiikö niillä enää tukottaa topikia
Guardian eilen:Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 15:48Guardianin tietojen mukaan lopullinen ratkaisu kalakysymykseen jäi saavuttamatta, koska UK veti hihastaan uuden määritelmän sille mikä lasketaan brittiläiseksi alukseksi:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -wednesdaySemmonenProgress on the issues of EU fleets access to British fishing waters, as reported by the Guardian, was upended late on Sunday night when David Frost, the UK’s chief negotiator, tabled new demands about the ownership of vessels in British seas.
Under the proposals, any vessels majority-owned or staffed by EU nationals would not be allowed to sail under the UK flag, sources in Brussels said.
Vessels currently need only an “economic link” to the UK, such as landing more than half their catch at British ports or having majority British crews. Companies based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands fished 55% of the UK’s fishing quota in 2019, according to research published this year.
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Tactics – bring up old stuff.
One negotiation tactic used in trade talks is “dredging up old stuff” to try to wear the other side down on other points where you don’t want a compromise. This is exactly what Downing Street believe the EU did last week when it protested it had introduced new elements to the negotiation table at the 11th hour.
“I don’t know the exact details but I am told the reports are accurate that they reintroduced issues on the level playing field they thought was settled as a way of getting leverage somewhere else,” says Ruparel.
It forces the other side, the UK, to reopen the chapter, “bring out the old arguments explaining why this or that can’t happen and demolish their position”. In this scenario, the hope of the EU would be once it agrees the UK was right all along, it will come across as having conceded, making the UK feeling obliged to compromise on something else. “We’ve seen them deployed before in terms of dredging up old things,” says Ruparel.
Itse olen ainakin tätä mieltä. Taikka hemmetistäkö sitä lopulta tietää kuinka tosissaan saariasukit ovat kalajuttujen kanssaSininen Bussi Kuutio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 16:58^Tuli mieleen toi artikkeli kans, tosin siitä ei kai oo tietoa oliko just toi sellainen kysymys josta edes oltiin puhuttu aiemmin. Mutta niin pitääkö tää tulkita silleen, että lopulta kalastus on molemmille vain pelinappula joka roikkuu mukana lähinnä siksi, että siinä voidaan antaa vastapuolelle näyttävä myönnytys sen jälkeen kun oikeasti tärkeissä jutuissa on saatu oman tahdon mukainen lopputulos
Tossa BBC:n jutussa sanottiin, että Macronille kalastus on tärkeää sen vaalikampanjan kannalta ja brexitööreille lähinnä koska se oli yksi myyntislogani noissa kalastuskunnissa, mutta tuntuu silti niin absurdilta koko homma. Kotin lukea Tanskan lehtiä läpi ja olikohan Berlingsken mukaan Tanskan tapauksessa puhutaan alle 70 tanskalaisaluksesta, jotka tulee lähinnä yhdestä tai kahdesta muutaman tuhannen ihmisen kunnasta kun taas vienti on miljardeja. Virallisesti kalastusministeri sanoi, että joo EU:n yhteisrintamassa ollaan, mutta rivien välistä pysty lukemaan että voidaan vaikka antaa siirtomaaksi ne Tanskan kalastuskunnat kunhan saadaan sopimus.Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 16:58^Tuli mieleen toi artikkeli kans, tosin siitä ei kai oo tietoa oliko just toi sellainen kysymys josta edes oltiin puhuttu aiemmin. Mutta niin pitääkö tää tulkita silleen, että lopulta kalastus on molemmille vain pelinappula joka roikkuu mukana lähinnä siksi, että siinä voidaan antaa vastapuolelle näyttävä myönnytys sen jälkeen kun oikeasti tärkeissä jutuissa on saatu oman tahdon mukainen lopputulos
No siis Boris tais just kätensä paljastaa tänkin kanssa.Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 18:15Tänäänhän valetaan hyvää neuvotteluhenkeä brittiparlamentissa, jossa edustajat laittavat entiselleen lakia rikkovan UK Internal Market Billin, josta loordit yrittivät poistaa törkeimmät kohdat.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-agreedNo 10 offers to drop internal market bill clauses if EU deal agreed
UK offers to drop sections that would breach international law in potential sign of softening attitudes
Peter Walker Political correspondent
@peterwalker99
Mon 7 Dec 2020 17.05 GMT
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The government has said it may drop sections of its internal market bill that would breach international law by letting the UK unilaterally rewrite parts of the Brexit departure agreement, in a potential sign of softening attitudes.
A government statement said the change in stance followed talks between the UK and EU via the withdrawal agreement joint committee, the body intended to iron out disagreements over the document, signed in January.
The concession is conditional on the two sides agreeing a final trade deal, the next step of the Brexit process, for which last-ditch talks are still taking place. It had been widely predicted that this would happen in the event of a trade deal.
The announcement came shortly before the internal market bill is considered by the Commons again, after the House of Lords voted overwhelmingly to amend it to remove the elements that would breach international law.
Ministers have said these would be restored by the Commons. If this happens, the bill would return to the Lords as part of a process known as ping-pong – but agreement on a trade bill could end the legislative impasse.
“Discussions continue to progress and final decisions are expected in the coming days,” said the statement released by Boris Johnson’s office.
“If the solutions being considered in those discussions are agreed, the UK government would be prepared to remove clause 44 of the UK internal market bill, concerning export declarations.
“The UK government would also be prepared to deactivate clauses 45 and 47, concerning state aid, such that they could be used only when consistent with the United Kingdom’s rights and obligations under international law.”
Clause 45 of the bill sets out that the UK government could change import and export procedures for goods between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, and amend elements of the associated Northern Ireland protocol, “notwithstanding any relevant international or domestic law with which they may be incompatible or inconsistent”.
The measures, which the government openly conceded would breach international law, prompted criticism from both opposition parties and EU politicians, even if many people did see it as primarily a lever for Brexit negotiations.
The UK government has insisted the clauses are necessary as a failsafe to preserve goods going to Northern Ireland in the event of a disorderly Brexit once the transition period finishes at the end of the year, with tariffs added to goods from the rest of the UK seen as “at risk” of entering the EU by going on to the Republic of Ireland.
The statement follows last-minute talks in Brussels on Monday between Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, and Maroš Šefčovič, the vice-president of the European commission.
The UK government statement added: “Good progress continues to be made regarding the decision as to which goods are ‘at risk’ of entering the EU market. Talks continue this afternoon.
“In the light of those discussions, the government will keep under review the content of the forthcoming taxation bill.”
The taxation bill, another post-Brexit measure expected in the Commons imminently, had also been predicted to contain clauses breaching international law.
Minkäs näköinen homma tää sitten on?The taxation bill, another post-Brexit measure expected in the Commons imminently, had also been predicted to contain clauses breaching international law.
Pakko myöntää, että ei enää jaksanut tää leveli perseilyä kiinnostaa niin paljoa, että olsiin ottanut selvää.torakka/väyrynen wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 20:00Minkäs näköinen homma tää sitten on?The taxation bill, another post-Brexit measure expected in the Commons imminently, had also been predicted to contain clauses breaching international law.
Toinen brexitin jälkeisen ajan järjestelyihin liittyvä laki joka ennakkotietojen mukaan sisältää laittomuuksia, mutta sitä ei ole edes julkaistu vielä saati esitelty alahuoneessa joten sen tarkemmin hankala sanoa.torakka/väyrynen wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 20:00Minkäs näköinen homma tää sitten on?The taxation bill, another post-Brexit measure expected in the Commons imminently, had also been predicted to contain clauses breaching international law.
Tässä oli joku sellainen juju, että Britannia saisi itse päättää mitkä tavarat ovat vaarassa jatkaa EU:hun Pohjois-Irlannin kautta eli valita mistä Irlannin meren ylittävistä tavaroista tarvitsee maksaa tullia EU:lle. Erosopimuksen perusteella tästä pitäisi päättää yhdessä.Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 20:27Pakko myöntää, että ei enää jaksanut tää leveli perseilyä kiinnostaa niin paljoa, että olsiin ottanut selvää.torakka/väyrynen wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 20:00Minkäs näköinen homma tää sitten on?The taxation bill, another post-Brexit measure expected in the Commons imminently, had also been predicted to contain clauses breaching international law.
Elikkäs suuri taikuri hakee henkilökohtaisesti EU:lta diilin johon kukaan muu ei olisi pystynyt.Sininen Bussi Kuutio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 21:07Boriksen ja Von Der Leyenin maratonpuhelusta tuloksena: myös Boris matkustaa Brysseliin tapaamaan Von Der Leyeniä livenä
Downing Street -lähde:“In Brussels certainly the mood is starting to shift to contingency planning for a no deal, as opposed to the compromises that are necessary to get a deal done. That is not where we want this to go.”
Talks are in the same position now as they were on Friday. We have made no tangible progress,” the source said.
