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New York Times ilmoittaa että ainakin 4 saudiprinssiä pidätetty



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#498 Post by Lusku » 08 Mar 2020, 22:20

Saudi-Arabia ja Venäjä näyttävät olevan isoissa riidoissa öljyyn liittyen :-k
Saudi Arabia launches oil price war after Russia deal collapse
Spoiler:
Kingdom to raise crude production and offer deep discounts just as coronavirus hits demand

Anjli Raval, David Sheppard and Derek Brower 8 hours ago

Saudi Arabia has launched an aggressive oil price war targeting its biggest rival producers after Russia refused to join production cuts with Opec, in a move that threatens to swamp the crude market with supplies just as the coronavirus outbreak hits demand.

Saudi Arabia will raise production and offer its crude at deep discounts to win new customers next month, according to two people familiar with the country’s oil policy, which risks sending prices tumbling further. Oil prices had already dropped by a third since January to near $45 a barrel.

The kingdom plans to pump more than 10m barrels a day next month while announcing unprecedented discounts of almost 20 per cent in key markets, in an apparent attempt to punish Russia, while squeezing the US shale industry and other higher cost producers.

Production could eventually surpass 11m b/d, one of the people said, well above the roughly 9m Riyadh had previously proposed lowering its output to.

Crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, the country’s de facto ruler, moved at the weekend to consolidate his position, arresting at least three members of the royal family that may have posed a threat to his accession to the throne.

High yield bonds
Oil price war spells danger for US junk bonds

The fall in oil prices risks new turmoil in the kingdom, as MBS’s plan to modernise the economy relies at least in part on higher energy revenues to fund the transformation.

Shares in Saudi Aramco, the state oil company, dropped almost 9 per cent on Sunday, falling below its December stock market listing price. The broader Saudi stock market sank more than 8 per cent.

Saudi Arabia had last week sought the support of Opec and allies outside the cartel, such as Russia, for a substantial cut in production to stabilise the oil market, which has been reeling as the spread of coronavirus hits the global economy and saps demand for crude.

But Russia torpedoed the plan, eyeing an opportunity to hit US shale producers, infuriating the kingdom and resulting in the countries removing all restrictions on their output from April.

“Opec and other countries including Russia couldn’t get an agreement. If others will push their production, why is Saudi Arabia not doing the same,” said a second person familiar with the kingdom’s output policy. “Now we have the right to sell more to compensate for any loss in prices.”

Russia has built up a $170bn national wealth fund from excess oil revenues in recent years and believes it can tap that to offset any short-term price war, despite crude plunging close to its budget break even price of around $42 a barrel.

Mikhail Leontiev, press secretary for Rosneft, Russia’s largest oil producer, said that the relationship with Saudi Arabia had become “meaningless”.

“The true result of the arrangement is that the total volume of oil that was reduced as a result of the repeated extension of the Opec+ agreement was completely and quickly replaced in the world market with American shale oil,” he said in a statement to state-owned news agency TASS.

Rosneft is majority owned by the Russian state and run by one of president Vladimir Putin’s closest and longest-serving associates.

“The proposal that was made was not a partnership. A partnership agreement always implies a compromise,” Mr Leontiev said, adding that the collapse of the agreement allows Russia to concentrate on monetising its crude resources.

The last price war in 2014 upended the global oil industry, inflicting pain on producers from the North Sea to North Dakota, and forcing them to adapt to the decisive end of the $100-oil era.

Higher output from Saudi Arabia would again hit the US shale sector, the rapid growth of which over the past decade has made the US the world’s top producer and forced rivals to restrict output in a bid to prop up the price.

The US shale industry has struggled to generate consistent profits, however, and is struggling with tighter access to financing, leaving it vulnerable.

But the kingdom appears to be targeting Russia in particular.

Saudi Arabia is set to announce that it will sell its crude into north west Europe, a key market for Russian barrels, at discounts to its reference price of more than $8 a barrel compared to March, according to an official price list seen by the Financial Times.

In the US it is also set to discount its crude by around $7 a barrel in April compared with March. It also made prices cuts to Asia of between $4-6 a barrel.

Monthly price adjustments are normally only a few cents or at most a dollar or two, leaving little doubt over what the kingdom is hoping to achieve.

Saudi Arabia’s 12m b/d production capacity has largely been restored after the drone and missile strikes on its key facilities in September.

The kingdom maintains the most spare production capacity globally, allowing it to raise its output faster than rivals.

The move will put pressure on Saudi Arabia’s allies in the Gulf like the UAE and Kuwait to cut their prices and potentially increase output to remain competitive.

A price war is likely to prove painful for all sides, but will hit the economies of weaker oil-dependent producers like Nigeria and Angola particularly hard, as they have little scope to increase output and less ability to borrow to plug budget shortfalls.

The price cuts threaten to further weigh on international oil prices, with Brent already down from $70 a barrel in early January to near $45 a barrel. It fell 9 per cent on Friday alone after the so-called Opec+ deal unravelled.

Traders and analysts have warned an all-out price war could see oil prices fall to $30 a barrel or lower, bringing back memories of the last time Saudi Arabia opened the taps in 2014.
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Re: Täällä seurataan Saudi-Arabian loppuromahdusta

#499 Post by Karhunpoika hairahtaa » 08 Mar 2020, 23:11

Lusku wrote:
08 Mar 2020, 22:20
Saudi-Arabia ja Venäjä näyttävät olevan isoissa riidoissa öljyyn liittyen :-k
Saudi Arabia launches oil price war after Russia deal collapse
Spoiler:
Kingdom to raise crude production and offer deep discounts just as coronavirus hits demand

Anjli Raval, David Sheppard and Derek Brower 8 hours ago

Saudi Arabia has launched an aggressive oil price war targeting its biggest rival producers after Russia refused to join production cuts with Opec, in a move that threatens to swamp the crude market with supplies just as the coronavirus outbreak hits demand.

Saudi Arabia will raise production and offer its crude at deep discounts to win new customers next month, according to two people familiar with the country’s oil policy, which risks sending prices tumbling further. Oil prices had already dropped by a third since January to near $45 a barrel.

The kingdom plans to pump more than 10m barrels a day next month while announcing unprecedented discounts of almost 20 per cent in key markets, in an apparent attempt to punish Russia, while squeezing the US shale industry and other higher cost producers.

Production could eventually surpass 11m b/d, one of the people said, well above the roughly 9m Riyadh had previously proposed lowering its output to.

Crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, the country’s de facto ruler, moved at the weekend to consolidate his position, arresting at least three members of the royal family that may have posed a threat to his accession to the throne.

High yield bonds
Oil price war spells danger for US junk bonds

The fall in oil prices risks new turmoil in the kingdom, as MBS’s plan to modernise the economy relies at least in part on higher energy revenues to fund the transformation.

Shares in Saudi Aramco, the state oil company, dropped almost 9 per cent on Sunday, falling below its December stock market listing price. The broader Saudi stock market sank more than 8 per cent.

Saudi Arabia had last week sought the support of Opec and allies outside the cartel, such as Russia, for a substantial cut in production to stabilise the oil market, which has been reeling as the spread of coronavirus hits the global economy and saps demand for crude.

But Russia torpedoed the plan, eyeing an opportunity to hit US shale producers, infuriating the kingdom and resulting in the countries removing all restrictions on their output from April.

“Opec and other countries including Russia couldn’t get an agreement. If others will push their production, why is Saudi Arabia not doing the same,” said a second person familiar with the kingdom’s output policy. “Now we have the right to sell more to compensate for any loss in prices.”

Russia has built up a $170bn national wealth fund from excess oil revenues in recent years and believes it can tap that to offset any short-term price war, despite crude plunging close to its budget break even price of around $42 a barrel.

Mikhail Leontiev, press secretary for Rosneft, Russia’s largest oil producer, said that the relationship with Saudi Arabia had become “meaningless”.

“The true result of the arrangement is that the total volume of oil that was reduced as a result of the repeated extension of the Opec+ agreement was completely and quickly replaced in the world market with American shale oil,” he said in a statement to state-owned news agency TASS.

Rosneft is majority owned by the Russian state and run by one of president Vladimir Putin’s closest and longest-serving associates.

“The proposal that was made was not a partnership. A partnership agreement always implies a compromise,” Mr Leontiev said, adding that the collapse of the agreement allows Russia to concentrate on monetising its crude resources.

The last price war in 2014 upended the global oil industry, inflicting pain on producers from the North Sea to North Dakota, and forcing them to adapt to the decisive end of the $100-oil era.

Higher output from Saudi Arabia would again hit the US shale sector, the rapid growth of which over the past decade has made the US the world’s top producer and forced rivals to restrict output in a bid to prop up the price.

The US shale industry has struggled to generate consistent profits, however, and is struggling with tighter access to financing, leaving it vulnerable.

But the kingdom appears to be targeting Russia in particular.

Saudi Arabia is set to announce that it will sell its crude into north west Europe, a key market for Russian barrels, at discounts to its reference price of more than $8 a barrel compared to March, according to an official price list seen by the Financial Times.

In the US it is also set to discount its crude by around $7 a barrel in April compared with March. It also made prices cuts to Asia of between $4-6 a barrel.

Monthly price adjustments are normally only a few cents or at most a dollar or two, leaving little doubt over what the kingdom is hoping to achieve.

Saudi Arabia’s 12m b/d production capacity has largely been restored after the drone and missile strikes on its key facilities in September.

The kingdom maintains the most spare production capacity globally, allowing it to raise its output faster than rivals.

The move will put pressure on Saudi Arabia’s allies in the Gulf like the UAE and Kuwait to cut their prices and potentially increase output to remain competitive.

A price war is likely to prove painful for all sides, but will hit the economies of weaker oil-dependent producers like Nigeria and Angola particularly hard, as they have little scope to increase output and less ability to borrow to plug budget shortfalls.

The price cuts threaten to further weigh on international oil prices, with Brent already down from $70 a barrel in early January to near $45 a barrel. It fell 9 per cent on Friday alone after the so-called Opec+ deal unravelled.

Traders and analysts have warned an all-out price war could see oil prices fall to $30 a barrel or lower, bringing back memories of the last time Saudi Arabia opened the taps in 2014.
https://www.ft.com/content/d700b71a-612 ... 4680ea68b5
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#500 Post by ontuva hollantilainen » 09 Mar 2020, 07:29

Juu nyt pisti Saudit isoa vaihdetta päälle, saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa. Ajo on kovaa.
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#501 Post by Pinnan alla » 09 Mar 2020, 08:00

ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
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#502 Post by Jesse Python » 09 Mar 2020, 08:18

Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?

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#503 Post by ontuva hollantilainen » 09 Mar 2020, 08:28

Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
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#504 Post by dikäli mikäli » 09 Mar 2020, 08:31

ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:28
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
Opec meinas rajoittaa tuotantoa ettei hinta putoais, Venäjä ei suostunu diiliin Opecin kanssa. Saudit kostaa nostamalla tuotantoa ja kurittamalla sekä Venäjää, että liuskeöljytuottajia.

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#505 Post by Jesse Python » 09 Mar 2020, 08:33

dikäli mikäli wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:31
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:28
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
Opec meinas rajoittaa tuotantoa ettei hinta putoais, Venäjä ei suostunu diiliin Opecin kanssa. Saudit kostaa nostamalla tuotantoa ja kurittamalla sekä Venäjää, että liuskeöljytuottajia.
Tämähän riemastuttaa jenkkilän liuskeöljytuottajat

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#506 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 09 Mar 2020, 08:42

Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:33
dikäli mikäli wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:31
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:28
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
Opec meinas rajoittaa tuotantoa ettei hinta putoais, Venäjä ei suostunu diiliin Opecin kanssa. Saudit kostaa nostamalla tuotantoa ja kurittamalla sekä Venäjää, että liuskeöljytuottajia.
Tämähän riemastuttaa jenkkilän liuskeöljytuottajat
Dolanin kelpaa katella kun best friend ever prinssi Salman pistää jenkkien talouden kyykkäämään.
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#507 Post by dikäli mikäli » 09 Mar 2020, 09:58

Mr TranSister Radio wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:42
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:33
dikäli mikäli wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:31
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:28
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
Opec meinas rajoittaa tuotantoa ettei hinta putoais, Venäjä ei suostunu diiliin Opecin kanssa. Saudit kostaa nostamalla tuotantoa ja kurittamalla sekä Venäjää, että liuskeöljytuottajia.
Tämähän riemastuttaa jenkkilän liuskeöljytuottajat
Dolanin kelpaa katella kun best friend ever prinssi Salman pistää jenkkien talouden kyykkäämään.
Liuskeöljyssä on muistaakseni vielä sellanen rojaltisysteemi, missä maanomistaja saa kiinteän summan x vuotta porausoikeuksia vastaan. Eli pakko porata että saa kassavirtaa.

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#508 Post by Jesse Python » 09 Mar 2020, 10:04

dikäli mikäli wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 09:58
Mr TranSister Radio wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:42
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:33
dikäli mikäli wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:31
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:28
Jesse Python wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:18
Pinnan alla wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 08:00
ontuva hollantilainen wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 07:29
saas nähdä mitä seuraa maailmantaloudessa.
Pörsseissä alkoi täysi paniikki – Taustalla koronavirus ja Saudi-Arabian öljypäätös
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11247555
Mikä toi öljypäätös nyt sitten oli, romahduttaa öljyn hinta?
Juu kai tossa on nähty, että nyt koronan myötä hyvä sauma laittaa vähän hintakilpailua peliin. Vois ostaa itselle barrelin raakaöljyä.
Opec meinas rajoittaa tuotantoa ettei hinta putoais, Venäjä ei suostunu diiliin Opecin kanssa. Saudit kostaa nostamalla tuotantoa ja kurittamalla sekä Venäjää, että liuskeöljytuottajia.
Tämähän riemastuttaa jenkkilän liuskeöljytuottajat
Dolanin kelpaa katella kun best friend ever prinssi Salman pistää jenkkien talouden kyykkäämään.
Liuskeöljyssä on muistaakseni vielä sellanen rojaltisysteemi, missä maanomistaja saa kiinteän summan x vuotta porausoikeuksia vastaan. Eli pakko porata että saa kassavirtaa.
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#509 Post by 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE » 09 Mar 2020, 13:40

Totaalinen :ot: mutta jenkeissähän on semmonen SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve) jota pystyy pressan päätöksellä kasvattamaan tai supistamaan ja jota on edellisenkin öljynhintakriisin kanssa käytetty tasaamaan markkinoita (itse asiassa tasaavat markkinoita muutenkin tiettyjen rajojen sisällä, jos oon oikein ymmärtänyt). Tuli vaan mieleen että kun SPR on Suomessa eräille extra sakeille kämyille kirosana niin voisko nää hyökätä jenkkien SPR:n kimppuun sosiaalisessa mediassa niin saatas vähän viihdettä.
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#510 Post by dikäli mikäli » 09 Mar 2020, 19:12

Kovaa ajoa saudeilta. Voisin kuvitella, että muut Opec maat, Venäjä ja USAn öljyntuotantosektori ynnä royal Dutch/Briish Petroleum hioo puukkojaan. Nesteelle tavallaan ihan jees, kun tekevät downstreamissa jalostusta ja biohommia. Nyt on vielä tuotantoa seis niin sataa laariin.

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