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#196 Post by Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja » 18 Sep 2019, 23:35

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#197 Post by Ajattelija » 19 Sep 2019, 19:36

Netanyahy on alistumaan päin. Taitaa hänen poliittinen uransa olla jo melkein loppunut.

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Weakened Netanyahu's offer for unity government rebuffed by rival Gantz
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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s weakened Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saw his offer on Thursday for a coalition with his strongest political rival, Benny Gantz, swiftly rebuffed after failing to secure a governing majority in a tight election.


Netanyahu’s surprise move was an abrupt change of strategy for the right-wing leader. Its rejection could spell weeks of wrangling after Tuesday’s election, which followed an inconclusive national ballot in April.

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Gantz’s centrist Blue and White party emerged from the second round of voting this year slightly ahead of Netanyahu’s Likud, but also short of enough supporters in the 120-member parliament for a ruling bloc.

Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving leader, said in a video clip in which he urged Gantz, the country’s former military chief, to meet him “as soon as today”, that he had pledged during the election campaign to form a right-wing, Likud-led government.

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“But to my regret, the election results show that this is impossible,” Netanyahu said. “Benny, we must set up a broad unity government, as soon as today. The nation expects us, both of us, to demonstrate responsibility and that we pursue cooperation.”

Responding to Netanyahu’s call, Gantz made no mention of the prime minister and said he himself would head a “liberal” coalition, political shorthand for one that excludes the Israeli leader’s long-time ultra-Orthodox allies.

Gantz said Israelis were eager for a unity government to end the political uncertainty.

But he then left it to Moshe Yaalon, a fellow Blue and White leader, to deliver a stinging rejection of a partnership with Netanyahu, citing looming corruption charges against the prime minister, who has denied any wrongdoing.

“We will not enter a coalition led by Netanyahu,” Yaalon said, echoing a position Gantz had taken throughout the election campaign and appearing to suggest that an alliance with Likud would be possible if it dumped its veteran chief.

“The time has come for you to tell Netanyahu, ‘thank you for all you’ve done’,” Yaalon urged Likud members - who have shown no sign so far of rebellion.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin and Benny Gantz, leader of Blue and White party, hold hands at a memorial ceremony for late Israeli President Shimon Peres, at Mount Herzl in Jerusalem September 19, 2019. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun
Netanyahu said he was “surprised and disappointed” and reiterated his call to Gantz to join him.

“It’s what the public expects of us,” Netanyahu said about a broad government.

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The campaigns run by Netanyahu, 69, and Gantz, 60, pointed to only narrow differences on many important issues, and an end to the Netanyahu era would be unlikely to bring about significant changes in policy on relations with the United States, the regional struggle against Iran or the Palestinian conflict.

With Israeli media reporting more than 95 percent of votes counted in Tuesday’s election, a Likud-led right-wing, religious bloc looked poised to control 55 of parliament’s 120 seats, with 56 going to a centre-left alliance.

Once all the votes are counted, President Reuven Rivlin, who welcomed Netanyahu’s unity call, will hold consultations with parties that won representation in parliament and give one of its leaders up to 42 days to form a government.

The political deadlock left former defence minister Avigdor Lieberman, head of the far-right Yisrael Beitenu party, as a potential kingmaker in the coalition-building. He has called for a secular unity government.

Gantz is a newcomer to politics. Many voters saw him as a “Mr Clean”, an alternative to Netanyahu and the cloud of alleged criminal misdeeds hanging over him.

Netanyahu’s call for a broad government preceded a scheduled visit later on Thursday by Jason Greenblatt, an architect of U.S. President Donald Trump’s as-yet unveiled plan for Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Israeli cabinet minister Tzachi Hanegbi, a senior Likud member, said he believed Greenblatt was coming to discuss the peace blueprint.

Palestinians, who seek a state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, have rejected the Trump plan out of hand, accusing the president of pro-Israeli bias.

“As to whether he (Greenblatt) will be presenting the plan, I have no idea,” Hanegbi said on Army Radio.

With Israeli politics in flux, Netanyahu cancelled his annual speech at the U.N. General Assembly next week, a spokesman said on Wednesday about a visit that might have provided an opportunity to meet with Trump.

Netanyahu highlighted his close ties with Trump in his election campaign. But in Los Angeles on Wednesday, Trump appeared to distance himself from Netanyahu, amid political stalemate in Israel.

He told reporters he had not spoken to Netanyahu since Tuesday’s ballot and said: “Our relationship is Israel"
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#199 Post by Ajattelija » 20 Sep 2019, 01:52

Todennäköisesti tää konflikti pysyy nyt paikoillaan. Ehkä uusia siirtokuntia ei rakenneta. Benny Gantz on kuitenkin vanha Israelin armeijan kenraali. Ehkä sillekin Netanyahu oli vain liikaa
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#200 Post by Doctor Muñiz » 20 Sep 2019, 07:45

Gantzhan ajaa sitä, että iso osa Länsirannasta liitetään Israeliin, mikä tietysti tarkoittaisi sitä, ettei elinkelpoinen palestiinalaisvaltio enää ole teoriassakaan mahdollinen. Koalitiossa Likudin kanssa ei tarvitsisi välittää arabipuolueiden vastustuksesta.
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#201 Post by Laku Setä » 20 Sep 2019, 08:11

eikö tuolla oo yhtään puoluetta joka olis kahden valtion puolella.onko toi valtavirtaa et halutaan leikkiä semi natseja omalla juutalaisella mausteella.
eikö siellä kellään syty päässä valo et vittu mehän tehdään itse sitä arabeille mitä nasut meille.ollaan uhri psykoosissa koko vitun kansa.
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#202 Post by Lusku » 20 Sep 2019, 09:36

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After falling short in Israel's election, Netanyahu set to confront his legal fate
“In these 2019 elections of April and September, escaping court and possibly jail was Netanyahu’s political raison d’etre," one expert said.

Sept. 19, 2019, 5:39 PM GMT+3
By Saphora Smith

As this week's election results and exit polls continue to make grim reading for Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's longest-serving prime minister not only faces the possible end of his political career but also a probable court appearance and potentially even jail due to allegations of corruption.

Netanyahu had hoped to pass legislation that would prevent him from being indicted on multiple allegations of corruption — but he can only do so if he remains prime minister. Netanyahu denies any wrongdoing and has said he is the victim of a politically orchestrated "witch-hunt" by the media and the left. But he may have to make that case in court.

With 97 percent of the votes counted as of Thursday afternoon, both Netanyahu’s right-wing bloc in the Knesset and the centrist and left-wing bloc led by the Blue and White party fell short of the 61 seats needed to form a government in the 120-seat Parliament.

In a video message Thursday, Netanyahu called on the Blue and White party’s leader, Benny Gantz, to join him in forming a national unity government. Gantz gave his own speech saying he is also ready to lead a national unity government — but he refuses to serve under his rival.

In February, Israel's attorney general, Avichai Mandelblit, said he intended to indict Netanyahu on three separate charges of bribery, fraud and breach of trust. Mandelblit is due to decide whether to formally charge Netanyahu by the end of the year after a pre-trial hearing on Oct. 2.

“In these 2019 elections of April and September, escaping court and possibly jail was Netanyahu’s political raison d’etre," said Gilead Sher, a lawyer and senior research fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies.

But experts said that even if Netanyahu remains in power, a divided Knesset could block any attempt to give him immunity.

“I don’t think there is a majority of government to give him immunity, even if he’s prime minister,” said Yossi Mekelberg, a professor of international relations at Regent’s University. “If he’s not prime minister anymore, it’s almost a certainty that he will face court.”

Without a governing majority of his right-wing bloc, Netanyahu will have to rely on coalition partners who are not his natural allies.

With the pre-trial hearing in less than two weeks, Netanyahu is also running out of time to pass legislation.

“Very shortly these proceedings will begin making it virtually impossible for him to form a coalition government that would enable legislation to proceed that would stop those legal proceedings,” said David Halperin, executive director of the Israel Policy Forum, an organization that supports a two-state solution.

One possibility may be that President Donald Trump could lend Netanyahu a helping hand, giving him some leverage in negotiations to demonstrate that it was the wrong time for the prime minister to leave office, Halperin suggested.

But Netanyahu on Wednesday canceled a visit to the United Nations General Assembly in New York next week where he was due to meet Trump on the sidelines. And the president appeared to throw cold water on the idea that he would go the extra mile for Netanyahu, telling reporters Wednesday that “our relationship is with Israel.”

The outgoing Trump envoy for Mideast peace talks Jason Greenblatt was headed to the region Thursday to discuss the peace plan, a Trump administration official and an Israeli official told NBC News. He was expected to meet with both Netanyahu and Gantz separately although it was unclear exactly when.

NBC News reported earlier this month and that Greenblatt plans to leave the administration. Most recently he has suggested that he could stay a bit longer and perhaps until when the peace plan is launched. The Trump administration has said it would wait until the results of the Israeli elections before determining the right time to unveil the plan.

Netanyahu appears to fall short of a governing majority

One card Netanyahu could play, according to experts, is negotiating a plea bargain. This would see him leave politics in exchange for not being indicted. His wife, Sara, did something similar this year when she admitted criminal wrongdoing over the misuse of state funds to order catered meals in a deal that saw her serve no jail time.

But experts point out that Netanyahu has dismissed the idea and has always denied any wrongdoing.

In any case, some observers say it would be foolish to dismiss Netanyahu’s chances of getting immunity entirely.

“I think we can assume that he will be offering the moon and more to whomever might be willing to join a coalition with him and certainly if they might consider advancing immunity legislation,” said Halperin.
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#203 Post by Liskomies » 24 Sep 2019, 23:08

Nuorallatanssija wrote:
20 Sep 2019, 08:11
eikö tuolla oo yhtään puoluetta joka olis kahden valtion puolella.onko toi valtavirtaa et halutaan leikkiä semi natseja omalla juutalaisella mausteella.
eikö siellä kellään syty päässä valo et vittu mehän tehdään itse sitä arabeille mitä nasut meille.ollaan uhri psykoosissa koko vitun kansa.
Clintonin kaudella ilmeisesti oltiin aika lähellä kun Ehud Barak sai sentään hyväksytettyä suunnitelman mutta Arafat ei kai sitten uskaltanut ottaa mitä tarjottiin koska sisäpoliittinen paine oli niin kova ja jostain syystä hän luuli kai saavansa Bush 2:lta vielä paremman diilin. (Lähde: Hannu Juusola - Israelin historia)

Sen jälkeen Israelissa onkin ollut oikeistovoittoista ja Palestiinalaisilla sisällissota.
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#204 Post by Lusku » 25 Sep 2019, 09:19

Damar wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 23:08
Nuorallatanssija wrote:
20 Sep 2019, 08:11
eikö tuolla oo yhtään puoluetta joka olis kahden valtion puolella.onko toi valtavirtaa et halutaan leikkiä semi natseja omalla juutalaisella mausteella.
eikö siellä kellään syty päässä valo et vittu mehän tehdään itse sitä arabeille mitä nasut meille.ollaan uhri psykoosissa koko vitun kansa.
Clintonin kaudella ilmeisesti oltiin aika lähellä kun Ehud Barak sai sentään hyväksytettyä suunnitelman mutta Arafat ei kai sitten uskaltanut ottaa mitä tarjottiin koska sisäpoliittinen paine oli niin kova ja jostain syystä hän luuli kai saavansa Bush 2:lta vielä paremman diilin. (Lähde: Hannu Juusola - Israelin historia)

Sen jälkeen Israelissa onkin ollut oikeistovoittoista ja Palestiinalaisilla sisällissota.
tuli taas mieleen että minkäköhän takia Arafat muuten murhattiin poloniumilla? :sad1dontknow: Ja jotkut vielä kuvittelee että ne on nimenomaan jenkit, jotka on Israelin lähimpiä ja ainoita liittolaisia?

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#205 Post by Liskomies » 25 Sep 2019, 15:07

Doctor Muñiz wrote:
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Gantzhan ajaa sitä, että iso osa Länsirannasta liitetään Israeliin, mikä tietysti tarkoittaisi sitä, ettei elinkelpoinen palestiinalaisvaltio enää ole teoriassakaan mahdollinen. Koalitiossa Likudin kanssa ei tarvitsisi välittää arabipuolueiden vastustuksesta.
Aikoinaanhan oli ehdotelma jossa Palestiinalaisalue palautettaisiin Jordanialle muutamilla alueliitoksilla. Teoriassa jos Jordanlaakso liitetään Israeliin niin silloin Palestiinan kartta olisi sen linjoilla. Ehkä tuosta jotain saisi vielä aikaiseksi jos tuo eteläinen osa ja kaikki muu olisi oikeasti Palestiinalaisilla (tuskinpa). Yhteys Jordaniaan olisi olemassa mutta varmaan jonkinlainen valtioliitto Jordanian kanssa olisi taloudellinen pakkorako.
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#206 Post by superlemmikki » 25 Sep 2019, 20:27

https://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000006250987.html wrote:Israelin presidentti nimitti maan nykyisen pää­ministerin Benjamin Netanjahun hallitus­tunnustelijaksi

Netanjahulla on nyt on 28 päivää aikaa muodostaa Israeliin uusi hallitus.

ISRAELIN presidentti Reuven Rivlin nimitti keskiviikkona hallitustunnustelijaksi maan pitkäaikaisen pääministerin Benjamin Netanjahun, kertoo uutistoimisto AFP.

Netanjahun tehtäväksi tulee nyt Israelin umpikujaan ajautuneen poliittisen tilanteen selvittäminen ja uuden hallituksen muodostamisen yrittäminen.

Kumpikaan maan suurimmista puolueista ei voittanut riittävää enemmistöä viime viikon tiistaina pidetyissä vaaleissa. Benjamin Netanjahun Likud-puolue sai 32 paikkaa ja hänet haastaneen Benny Gantzin Sininen ja valkoinen -puolue 33 paikkaa parlamentin 120 paikasta.

Vaalit olivat uusintavaalit, koska aiemmalla kerralla huhtikuussa maahan ei saatu muodostettua hallitusta. Silloin Netanjahun oikeistopuolue Likud ja Gantzin keskustalaisempi Sininen ja valkoinen saivat kumpikin parlamenttiin 35 edustajaa.

RIVLIN ehdotti sunnuntaina maahan laajaa yhteishallitusta, jonka muodostaisi sekä Likud että Sininen ja valkoinen. AFP:n mukaan puolueet ovat neuvotelleet yhteisen hallituksen muodostamisesta, mutta ne ovat eri mieltä monesta asiasta.

Lain mukaan hallitustunnustelijaksi valitulla Netanjahulla on nyt on 28 päivää aikaa muodostaa hallitus. Tarvittaessa aikaa on mahdollista saada kaksi viikkoa lisää.

JOS kaikki hallituksen muodostamisyritykset epäonnistuvat, Rivlin voi antaa tehtävän jollekin toiselle. On myös mahdollista, että Israel ajautuisi vielä kolmansiin vaaleihin, jos hallitusta ei taaskaan saada kokoon.
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#207 Post by Doctor Muñiz » 25 Sep 2019, 21:17

Mites toi ei mennyt suurimman puolueen puheenjohtajalle?
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#208 Post by Laku Setä » 26 Sep 2019, 14:54

miks natsi sai hävinneenä ekana yrityksen muodostaa hallitusta.eikö tosta saatanan madosta päästä ikinä eroon.
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Mites toi ei mennyt suurimman puolueen puheenjohtajalle?
Pressa saa päättää ja tykkää Netanjahusta enempi kun Ganzista?
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#210 Post by Doctor Muñiz » 26 Sep 2019, 17:56

No, onhan se Likudin jäsen, mutta tässä on näemmä sellainen kuvio, että jyrkin arabipuolueista eli Balad ilmoitti, ettei tue Gantzia, minkä jälkeen Netanjahulla oli eniten kansanedustajia takanaan. https://m.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Ne ... ion-602566
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