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Re: Täällä seurataan Trumpin presidenttikautta

#40261 Post by tarmo erkale » 25 Mar 2020, 13:24

Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 13:12

Paitsi että se 4000 ei riitä mihinkään.
Jos ylipäätään ovat olemassa/pääsevät perille ennen kuin don aldille tulee taas jostain paha mieli ja haetuttaa lelut takaisin.

Jokos täällä oli näistä kushnerin venkulan klorokiinipisneksistä:

Trump feels he can ignore Dr. Fauci after hearing Jared Kushner’s ‘conspiracy theories’ about coronavirus: report
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President Donald Trump’s relationship with Dr. Anthony Fauci has reportedly grown strained, and a new report from Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman claims that Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner has been driving a wedge between the president and his own director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Two sources close to the White House tell Sherman that Trump increasingly feels that “he can ignore Fauci’s opinion” because Kushner has been telling him about experimental coronavirus treatments he’s been hearing about from Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.

“Jared is bringing conspiracy theories to Trump about potential treatments,” one Republican who has been “briefed” on the conversations between Trump and Kushner explains.
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“Trump is like an 11-year-old boy waiting for the fairy godmother to bring him a magic pill,” a former White House official tells Sherman.

Kushner has also tried to convince Trump that the pandemic is not that big of a deal, and his efforts to downplay the crisis have annoyed Vice President Mike Pence, who has been tasked with leading the coronavirus task force.

“Two sources said Vice President Mike Pence has complained to Trump about Kushner’s meddling in the work of the coronavirus task force,” Sherman writes.
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“He Can’t Make Any Big Decisions”: As the Crisis Escalates, Trump Experiments With a Pivot (vanityfair)

... ja ...
Oracle Providing White House With Software to Study Unproven Coronavirus Drugs (nytimes)
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Oracle Providing White House With Software to Study Unproven Coronavirus Drugs
By Noah Weiland and Maggie Haberman
14-18 minutes

The online platform could allow physicians to upload patient data on how malaria drugs perform on coronavirus patients.
Researchers working with coronavirus samples to determine whether hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment last week at the University of Minnesota.
Researchers working with coronavirus samples to determine whether hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment last week at the University of Minnesota.Credit...Craig Lassig/Reuters

Noah WeilandMaggie Haberman

March 24, 2020

WASHINGTON — The White House is preparing to use software provided by the technology giant Oracle to promote unproven coronavirus treatments, including a pair of malaria drugs publicized by President Trump, potentially before the government approves their use for the outbreak, according to five senior administration officials and others familiar with the plans.

An online platform designed by Oracle, in collaboration with the White House, is still taking shape, but it is likely to be used to collect information about off-label use of the drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which are not yet approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Mr. Trump has tried to reassure Americans that what he has called a “game changer” treatment is imminent, but his language has alarmed senior health officials and public health experts, who say that the Oracle program would amount to a sprawling, crowdsourced clinical trial without the usual controls of the F.D.A.

Chloroquine has been used to treat malaria for nearly a century; the bark of the quinine tree, where the drug comes from, has been used as medicine for hundreds of years. The president has been fixated on it for days. On Monday, at his orders, the federal government was helping obtain “large quantities” of it.

The president’s promotion has pitted him against some of his top health officials, including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who has warned that there is only anecdotal evidence so far that the drugs may be effective in treating the coronavirus. Amy P. Abernethy, the principal deputy commissioner of the F.D.A., said on Tuesday that a randomized controlled trial is the “most appropriate way” to decide whether the drugs are a suitable treatment.

Both drugs are still being studied by the F.D.A. for their effectiveness in treating the virus.

The president’s senior adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as well as agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services such as the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the F.D.A., are involved in the Oracle efforts, according to two senior administration officials.

Two senior administration officials familiar with the planning say it could gather data from physicians who prescribe the malaria drugs and track patient symptoms. The officials said planners had also discussed using the platform to mail the drugs to patients involved in the trial.

The Oracle project has been heavily influenced by Dr. David B. Agus, a professor of medicine and engineering at the University of Southern California, who is working with the White House and Oracle, according to senior officials. Oracle’s co-founder, Lawrence J. Ellison, is a backer of Mr. Trump.

Dr. Agus, a CBS News medical correspondent, has campaigned for the drugs over the past week, saying on television that “the earlier you use them, the better.”

Dr. Agus has boasted to senior administration officials that he has talked about the benefits of the drugs with Mr. Trump, who has publicly counseled that medical efforts not be wedded to traditional drug trials. That has alarmed senior health officials, who see the Oracle project as a way around the rigor and consensus of the government’s drug safety oversight.

On Tuesday afternoon, Dr. Fauci met with Drs. Deborah L. Birx, the White House’s coronavirus coordinator, Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Stephen M. Hahn, the F.D.A. commissioner, to go over their concerns with the Oracle project and review new Chinese data that indicated the drugs have no meaningful effect.

One person familiar with the Oracle discussions said the project would be driven by science and data, not political calculations. Another person familiar with the conversations said there had been other talks between the Trump administration and television medical experts, such as Dr. Mehmet Oz, a widely watched and often criticized television personality who joined a Fox News-hosted virtual town hall with the president and Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday to ask a question about hydroxychloroquine.

In response to the question, Mr. Pence said that patients should defer to their doctors on whether to take the drug.

On some of the president’s favorite Fox News programs in recent weeks, including Laura Ingraham’s, guests have pitched chloroquine as a coronavirus treatment. On March 14, Dr. Marc K. Siegel, a Fox News medical correspondent, said on “Justice with Judge Jeanine” that “no one is talking about" antiviral treatments, but that “we can try some of these treatments.”

Mr. Trump’s own chloroquine boosterism began as early as last Wednesday in a private Oval Office meeting, where he told a group of top officials, including Dr. Hahn, that promoting the drug would be a shot of inspiration for the public. The F.D.A., Mr. Trump said in the meeting, should promote chloroquine treatment, two senior administration officials said.

Early that morning, and to the surprise of top officials at the F.D.A., Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter that he would be holding a news conference “to discuss very important news from the F.D.A. concerning the Chinese Virus!” Pleading with the White House, officials at the F.D.A. were able to hold it off, according to a senior administration official, forcing Mr. Trump to take his message to the next day’s coronavirus task force news briefing, where he told reporters that chloroquine would be distributed to “large groups of people” even before the government had concluded studying its safety and effectiveness.

“We’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately,” the president said.

At the same Thursday news conference, Dr. Hahn appeared to walk back the promise, saying it was the responsibility of the F.D.A. to make sure products are “safe and effective,” and that “what’s also important is not to provide false hope, but to provide hope.”

A spokesman for the F.D.A. said that the agency has been working on therapeutics “from the beginning of this pandemic,” and has been keeping the White House and Mr. Trump apprised, including on hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.

Proponents of the drugs have cited Chinese and French reports that indicated they have been successful in treating coronavirus patients. But that research did not have control groups or other measures needed to determine whether a drug actually works.

One article published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents said that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, a common antibiotic, appeared to help patients. But that study involved giving hydroxychloroquine to just 26 people with confirmed coronavirus infections, including some with no symptoms. Only six of the patients were also given azithromycin. Some in the group did not even complete the study, including three who were sent to intensive care, one who died, and one who stopped treatment because of nausea.

Dr. Joshua M. Sharfstein, a vice dean at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and a former principal deputy commissioner at the F.D.A., said that the only way to know whether chloroquine works as a coronavirus treatment is through a high-quality clinical trial.

“I think there’s a major misconception in this country that getting good evidence means red tape,” he said. “Getting good evidence is knowing the difference between something that works and something that doesn’t.”

On Monday, an Arizona man died and his wife was hospitalized after they ingested chloroquine phosphate, a substance used frequently in aquariums to clean fish tanks, according to Banner Health, a hospital system based in Phoenix which treated the couple. The woman told NBC News that she took the substance, which she used on koi fish, after seeing Mr. Trump discuss it on television.

“Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure,” the woman said.

Dr. Daniel Brooks, a medical director with the Banner Poison and Drug Information Center, said on Monday, “It’s incredibly dangerous and foolish for people to be doing this.”

“This is not going to be a magic pill for us to get us through this,” he added.

Some of the biggest pharmaceutical manufacturers, including Teva and Mylan, are ramping up production of hydroxychloroquine. Rising Pharmaceuticals, a manufacturer of chloroquine, has said it is also increasing production. And Bayer announced that it was donating millions of pills of chloroquine to the U.S. government.

The demand for the drugs has caused a nationwide crisis for people with conditions reliant on hydroxychloroquine, like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Patients have described difficulty locating the drug at pharmacies, and hospitals have rushed to stash the treatments in an effort to treat severely ill patients.

Doctors have begun hoarding it by writing prescriptions for themselves and family members, according to pharmacy boards in states across the country.

“The last thing I want to happen now is that, especially since President Trump and others have been mentioning this by name, is that people will go out and ask their doctors to write prescriptions, just in case,” said Onisis Stefas, the chief pharmacy officer for New York-based Northwell Health’s 23 hospitals.

The stockpiling has become so worrisome in Idaho, Kentucky, Ohio, Nevada, Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Texas that the boards in those states have issued emergency restrictions or guidelines on how the drugs can be dispensed at pharmacies.

David McCabe contributed reporting from Washington, and Katie Thomas from Chicago.

Updated March 24, 2020
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#40262 Post by Jesse Python » 25 Mar 2020, 13:26

Noista Trumpin tweeteistä saa käsityksen että pressan on jenkkilässä tehtävä itte kaikki, mm 4000 ventilaattorin lähettämisen.

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#40263 Post by Kauko Keuhkon näköinen mies » 25 Mar 2020, 13:29

Karppinen wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 12:52
Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 10:50
Kun lukee tekstinä noita Trumpin juttuja, oikein korostuu miten se jää jumittamaan joihinkin asioihin oikein kunnolla (Fox-haastiksessa kausiflunssan kuoli määriin ja ajtokolareihin, esim) ja miten ajatus hajoaa ja alkaa tulla täytesanoja & vanhan nauhan toistoa.
Eikös nuo ole skitsofrenian klassisia merkkejä?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tr ... 21441.html
No tosta on aika turha tehä mitään nettidiagnooseja, jenkkien psykologiyhdistys tuumasi että malignant narcissist ja kyä noi siihen sopii.
Kellä kutiseva reikä illalla, sillä haiseva sormi aamulla.

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#40264 Post by Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja » 25 Mar 2020, 14:24

Edelweiss wrote:saatanan nuupauttaja , en tiedä. :cry:

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#40265 Post by Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja » 25 Mar 2020, 14:25

THE PRESIDENT: Romney is in isolation?

Q Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Gee, that’s too bad.
Edelweiss wrote:saatanan nuupauttaja , en tiedä. :cry:

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#40266 Post by hellästi takaluukkuun pantu koira » 25 Mar 2020, 14:27



donald huumorimiehiä :D
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#40267 Post by Mikko A' LaLaLaLongtalo » 25 Mar 2020, 14:31

Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 14:24
"But he is a RINO." Eiks toi nyt oo ihan tunnettu vittuilulyhenne rebupoliitikosta.

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#40268 Post by Jussin villapaita » 25 Mar 2020, 14:36

Vittuiluahan toi twiitto on alusta loppuun.

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#40269 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 25 Mar 2020, 14:38

Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 14:24
Upeaa 3-vuotias opettelee sarkasmia-sivaltelua siinä.
He was sairas.

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#40270 Post by Mikko A' LaLaLaLongtalo » 25 Mar 2020, 14:40

Jussin villapaita wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 14:36
Vittuiluahan toi twiitto on alusta loppuun.
No kato kun toi RINO tossa just onkin. Että tossa kontekstissa sopis Trumpiin itseensä hyvin ihan omaan persoonaansa kohdistuvana itsekehuna.

Mutta joo. Normaalia sössötystä.

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#40271 Post by Mahdollisimman yleistäi » 25 Mar 2020, 14:40

Mikko A' LaLaLaLongtalo wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 14:31
Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 14:24
"But he is a RINO." Eiks toi nyt oo ihan tunnettu vittuilulyhenne rebupoliitikosta.
”I’m so happy I can barely speak” tulee kyllä kanssa syvältä ja tunteella.
RINO = republican in name only. Sakeimpien repujen ja magajorkkien koulukiusaustermi kaikista tolkun tyypeistä puolueessa.

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#40272 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 25 Mar 2020, 15:11

Vaikka tosiaan Mitt taitaa klassisen republikaanin määritelmän täyttää paljon paremmin kuin Trump tai kukaan sen lähipiirissä.
He was sairas.

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#40273 Post by kuka hemmetti » 25 Mar 2020, 15:16

Mr TranSister Radio wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 15:11
Vaikka tosiaan Mitt taitaa klassisen republikaanin määritelmän täyttää paljon paremmin kuin Trump tai kukaan sen lähipiirissä.
Joku klassinen repiblikaani on aivan passe
nykyäänhän pitää olla Proud Trump Republican
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#40274 Post by sössön sössön » 25 Mar 2020, 19:12

gambina vetoa että suurin koronavirukseen kuolleiden ryhmä on Trumpin äänestäjäkunta

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#40275 Post by Spandau Mullet » 25 Mar 2020, 20:11



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