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Alt-right News: Sisällissota alkaa 4.11

#1 Post by Pasi Fist » 02 Nov 2017, 08:38

Tarkistettu internetistä tämä:
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Why the far right believes a US civil war will start on Saturday

Since late September, ‘alt-right’ members have advanced the idea that anti-fascist groups will begin a violent insurrection on 4 November. But no antifa groups are planning to protest – so what gives?

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According to a new conspiracy theory, antifa groups want to start a civil war on November 4. But the idea rests on some very slender reeds.

If you are inside the “alt-right” information bubble, you might be preparing yourself for a civil war to commence this Saturday.

Since late September, the idea has been circulating on Facebook groups, subreddit message boards, Twitter, and leading conspiracy media outlets that on 4 November, anti-fascist groups will begin a violent insurrection.

Some websites are telling their readers that antifa groups are “planning to kill every single Trump voter, Conservative and gun owner” this weekend. Hundreds of Facebook posts show how seriously consumers of such media are taking the news, and comments like “One more threat against white people and I swear to God I’m going to take a goddamn car and run over every fucking one of them” are not unrepresentative of the response.

But antifa groups have no plans to protest that day, and the small leftist groups who are planning protests have only dubious connections to the antifa movement. So what gives?

The whole thing rests on some very slender reeds, according to Spencer Sunshine, who recently wrote a report on the theories for the far right-monitoring group Political Research Associates. In the conspiracy underground on YouTube, he explains, there has been talk that “there was going to be a civil war” starting in November for some months.

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Beginning in late September, three things kicked it a into higher gear. First, Refuse Fascism, a small group linked to the Revolutionary Communist party, staged a visually spectacular protest in Los Angeles. They blocked the 101 freeway and held up signs that enigmatically spelled out “Nov 4 it begins”. This is the same group that is organizing a series of protests around the country against the “Trump-Pence regime” this weekend.

Second, a video posted on a Facebook page called Vets Before Illegals went viral. The video, entitled “Antifa sets a date for civil war”, claimed that “on their website, they are calling for an open civil war that will start in November”, and set out alleged plans for attacking police officers, then citizens and the government.

Last, but by no means least, the rumor was picked up and amplified by Alex Jones, the radio star with an audience of millions. As Sunshine explains, Jones “is a kind of meta-conspiracy theorist now” who “harvests other people’s theories” and repackages them to fit his narratives and his audience.

Once Jones had mentioned it, Sunshine explains, the rumor mill exploded: “Once Jones says something, even more people pick up on it and put their own spin on it.” Jones’s website was still running the story on Wednesday morning.

An absurd turn
In recent days, the story took an absurd turn, and had its closest brush with more mainstream conservative media, when Gateway Pundit, a longtime conservative blog that has recently expanded into news coverage, published a story by its White House correspondent, Lucian Wintrich, claiming that an “antifa leader” had promised to “behead white parents” on 4 November.

The tweet the story was based on, however, was a joke from an account that had no apparent ties to any antifa groups.

In a telephone interview, Wintrich conceded that the tweet his reporting was based on was not serious, and that it was unlikely that there would be a revolution on Saturday. But he did not back away from the story, presenting it as a critique of leftist rhetoric.

“The radical left is always making jokes about killing white people. What would happen if I made a joke about killing all black parents? That would be a national headline.

“If it’s appropriate for them to demonize [conservatives] over quite innocent jokes, why would we just roll over when they make inappropriate jokes? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

The piece included a detailed account of antifa ideology, which included the claim that the activists “are larpers (‘live action role-play’) attempting to find someone/thing to sexually interact with”.

When asked what sources he drew on in reporting on their ideology, Wintrich said: “I did go to school at Bard College. I received my education around people who I’m sure are on terrorist watchlists as socialist or communist extremists.”

As Sunshine says, Refuse Fascism activists have been supportive of antifa groups in the past, and often show up to the same demonstrations, but there is “no formal connection” between them and antifa. They are also small, he says, and their protest is explicitly nonviolent and specifically directed against the administration, not rightwing activists or police.

Mark Bray, historian and author of Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook, agrees. “Prior to 2017, the far right didn’t really know what antifa was,” he says, adding that the focus on these groups has a number of causes. It is an extension of the demonization of anarchists in general, but it is also a way to smear mainstream liberals who have no links to antifascist groups.

And to some extent, this particular panic has succeeded in energizing a particular slice of the right. As Sunshine puts it: “It motivates the base, it’s part of the apocalyptic narrative they use – there’s always a dangerous event just over the horizon.” Also, he says: “It’s a call for vigilante activity. There are currently tons of threats against leftwing activists.”

And unless there is a confrontation as a result of rightwing counter-protesters turning out to shut down the “revolution”, it’s all likely to come to nothing.

“There is no revolution or civil war planned for 4 November,” says Bray. “You can quote me on that.”
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#2 Post by Pasi Fist » 02 Nov 2017, 08:39

Näiden tyyppien kanootit on vailla alkuperäisväestöä ollut jo pitkään tuuliajolla.
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#3 Post by Poistunut käyttäjä 6d3acbf4 » 02 Nov 2017, 08:40

Niin siis ne lähtee sotimaan hallintoa vastaan ko kö? eiks ne just saanu sellasen residentin kun halus :scratch:

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#4 Post by Banana Joe » 02 Nov 2017, 08:42

Tietty riski että snacksit loppuu taas heti alkumetreillä.
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#5 Post by Se vanha Laine » 02 Nov 2017, 08:42

HARMAA JA KALPEE HIV ?? wrote:Niin siis ne lähtee sotimaan hallintoa vastaan ko kö? eiks ne just saanu sellasen residentin kun halus :scratch:
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#6 Post by kiimainen dinosaur » 02 Nov 2017, 08:46

Todellista valtaa USA:kin pitää (((Soroksen))) perustama Antifa.
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#7 Post by pahan vesseli » 02 Nov 2017, 08:57

Banana Joe wrote:Tietty riski että snacksit loppuu taas heti alkumetreillä.
täytyykin laittaa tynnyrillinen liukkaria ja muutama sata dildoa tilaukseen noille :-k
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#8 Post by Trollface-mies » 02 Nov 2017, 09:28

Itselläni on magnumit aina valmiina ja kaikki muutkin jäätelöt.
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#9 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 02 Nov 2017, 09:28

Trollface-mies wrote:Itselläni on magnumit aina valmiina ja kaikki muutkin jäätelöt.
Jätskiä pitää olla, juu.
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#10 Post by Lusku » 02 Nov 2017, 09:30

tuskin alkaa yhtään mikään mutta juurihan kongressin kuulemisissa on paljastunut että somessa on masinoitu ääriryhmien välistä väkivaltaa systemaattisesti jo viime vuodesta lähtien (juu, sitä nyt syntyy masinoimattakin).

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Russia organized 2 sides of a Texas protest and encouraged 'both sides to battle in the streets'

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Russian trolls organized a protest and a counterprotest in the same place at the same time in May 2016, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Richard Burr, said on Wednesday. The revelation shows how far Russia was willing to go to foment unrest and division in the US in the months leading up to the election. Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."

Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday.

A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr.

Another Russia-linked account, United Muslims of America, organized a counterprotest - a "Save Islamic Knowledge" rally.

As The Daily Beast reported in September, the United Muslims of America page was impersonating a real nonprofit organization. More than 2,700 people saw an ad placed by the account that targeted people in the Houston area, Burr said.

The committee released documents showing how the events were organized on Facebook:

"What neither side could have known was that Russian trolls were encouraging both sides to battle in the streets and create division between real Americans," Burr said on Wednesday during an open hearing with the general counsels of Facebook, Google, and Twitter.

"Ironically, one person who attended stated, 'The Heart of Texas promoted this event, but we didn't see one of them,'" Burr said. "We now know why. It's hard to attend an event in Houston, Texas, when you're trolling from a site in St. Petersburg, Russia."


Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."

"Facebook enabled that event to happen," he said. "I'm certain that our adversaries are learning from the Russian activities ... You must do better to protect the American people, and all of your users, from this kind of manipulation."

The anti-Islam rally was not the only event the Heart of Texas page promoted before the election. The group advertised a "Texit statewide rally" in October and a series of anti-immigrant, anti-Hillary Clinton rallies across the state three days before the election.

Heart of Texas had over 225,000 followers as of last summer. It was shut down in early September as part of Facebook's takedown of accounts and pages "affiliated with one another and likely operated out of Russia," a Facebook spokesman told Business Insider at the time.

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#11 Post by Lörsson. » 02 Nov 2017, 10:21

Fuckin' Д

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- I did! But then I fucked back on again.


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#12 Post by Se vanha Laine » 02 Nov 2017, 10:30

Mitkähän tunnelmat Alex Jonesilla tällä hetkellä? Pysyykö ns. housuissaan?

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#13 Post by Pasi Fist » 02 Nov 2017, 10:40

Kansainvälinen antifa-kongressin tiedotus ei toiminut tänne asti ja nyt pitää kauheella kiireellä koota näitä murhalistoja ja -aikatauluja tämän lauantaiseen purgeen.
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#14 Post by Balam-Acab » 02 Nov 2017, 10:49

en ehdi sotaan stadissa kun on reenit toisessa kaupungissa
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#15 Post by Äŋ, verinokkaeläin 囧 » 02 Nov 2017, 10:59

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