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Jesse Python · #406 Post by **Jesse Python** » 27 Jun 2019, 06:58

Sleepy Joe Biden

#407 Post by **Trollface-mies** » 27 Jun 2019, 07:02

Sanders alkaa olla oikein kunnon demokraattien oma Väyrynen.

Nymag wrote:Sanders Claims 2016 Primary Was Rigged, Won’t Commit to Supporting Winner

NBC’s Kasie Hunt asked Bernie Sanders if he would commit to supporting the Democratic nominee before the convention if it’s clear it won’t be him. Sanders would not make any such commitment. Instead, he said, “some people say that maybe if the system was not rigged against me, I would have won the nomination.”

While Sanders is coyly hiding behind the “some people say” formulation, he is threatening to repeat the tactics he used in 2016, when he called the process “rigged” and withheld his support long after the outcome was decided.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton won the nomination as the clear preference of the majority of her party’s electorate. She won 55 percent of the primary vote, as opposed to just 43 percent for Sanders, which is not an especially narrow margin.

#408 Post by **Lusku** » 27 Jun 2019, 09:58

Oho. se käyttää samoja avainkäsitteitä kuin Trump

Jesse Python · #409 Post by **Jesse Python** » 27 Jun 2019, 09:59

Lusku wrote: ↑
27 Jun 2019, 09:58
Oho. se käyttää samoja avainkäsitteitä kuin Trump

Jos se on kelaillut että näin Trumppikin pääsi valtaan

Hyödytön idiootti · #410 Post by **Hyödytön idiootti** » 27 Jun 2019, 10:05

Trumpin haastajat – He tavoittelevat demokraattien presidenttiehdokkuutta 2020
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10680589

Pitäisköhän hypätä Kamala Harriksen kannattajiin. Jos joku vois laittaa hänestä lisää infoa, niin ois kiva. Ja onks hänellä mitään mahdollisuuksia oikeasti?

Jesse Python · #411 Post by **Jesse Python** » 27 Jun 2019, 10:18

Onko joku jo nettivinkannut Trumpille että suomeksi kamala = awful

#412 Post by **Lusku** » 27 Jun 2019, 10:45

Hyödytön idiootti wrote: ↑
27 Jun 2019, 10:05
Trumpin haastajat – He tavoittelevat demokraattien presidenttiehdokkuutta 2020
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10680589

Pitäisköhän hypätä Kamala Harriksen kannattajiin. Jos joku vois laittaa hänestä lisää infoa, niin ois kiva. Ja onks hänellä mitään mahdollisuuksia oikeasti?

Ovenrivallakin on mahiksia trumpia vastaan.

Boromir · #413 Post by **Boromir** » 27 Jun 2019, 11:43

Trollface äiän anti tähän topsuun on niin pilipali kamaa että jätän jatkossa kommentoimatta.

#414 Post by **Heitä sikaa/filth** » 27 Jun 2019, 12:14

Nauratti Politicon väittelyartikkelissa:

Nor did candidates dwell on Trump, who did not tweet attacks at his rivals, except to declare the debate night “BORING!”

#415 Post by **Heitä sikaa/filth** » 27 Jun 2019, 12:14

Hyödytön idiootti wrote: ↑
27 Jun 2019, 10:05
Trumpin haastajat – He tavoittelevat demokraattien presidenttiehdokkuutta 2020
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10680589

Pitäisköhän hypätä Kamala Harriksen kannattajiin. Jos joku vois laittaa hänestä lisää infoa, niin ois kiva. Ja onks hänellä mitään mahdollisuuksia oikeasti?

"Best political athlete in the field"

Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema · #416 Post by **Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema** » 27 Jun 2019, 12:47

Washingtonin presidentti Jay Inslee nostaa profiiliaan omissa silmissäni: selkeimmin vihreä linja ympäristöasioissa ja näyttöä saavutuksista läpimädättyneellä länsirannikolla. Ongelma on, että hänkin sattuu olemaan vanha valkoinen äijä, mutta ehkä Insleestä saisi varapresidenttiehdokkaan jonkun naiskandidaatin kylkeen. Uskon vakaasti demokraattien valitsevan naisen ja miehen (tai miehen ja naisen) taistelupariksi Trumpia vastaan.

StaLinkola · #417 Post by **StaLinkola** » 27 Jun 2019, 15:14

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... rst-night/

Winners and losers from the Democratic presidential debate’s first night
By Aaron Blake
June 27 at 12:07 AM
The first night of the first debate of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary is over, with the first 10 candidates jousting Wednesday night in Miami.

Below are our winners and losers.

Winners
Elizabeth Warren: The Massachusetts senator went into the debate with the biggest target on her back as the highest-polling candidate onstage. But she largely skated. Other candidates didn’t seem to have the appetite to put her on the spot. After the first question, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) all got a chance to offer differences with Warren on her proposals — free college, a huge tax increase on the wealthy, and breaking up big companies, respectively. None of them took the bait, with only Klobuchar offering a quibble — the idea that taxpayers pay for rich kids’ tuition — and even she didn’t actually tie that to Warren’s proposal. From that point on, Warren got a pass. And she used her platform to do what she has done to great effect on the campaign trail: talk about her bold, liberal policy ideas. It’s about the best she could have hoped for after being slotted onto the Joe Biden- and Bernie Sanders-free debate stage

Julián Castro: For someone on the periphery of much of the 2020 debate, he made a splash. He made a strong statement about the father and daughter who drowned earlier this week in the Rio Grande, saying everyone should be “pissed off” about it. Later, after a joust with O’Rourke on immigration, other candidates emphasized their agreement with Castro. It’s a great sign when other candidates are straining to show they agree with you.

Bill de Blasio: Since making a late entry into the 2020 field, the New York mayor has been the butt of more than a few jokes in D.C. and New York media. He’s also by far the most unpopular candidate in the field. But he was on his game: He cut in to get more time. He talked about having hard conversations with his black son. He talked about his dad’s PTSD, which eventually led to suicide. And he made perhaps the most far-reaching case for government activism outside of Warren — exactly as he wanted.

Raise-your-hand questions: Candidates hate having to answer questions with yes-or-no answers, but sometimes moderators must make them. Good news: You can get all of them to do it at once! The NBC moderators asked the 10 candidates onstage whether their health care plans would get rid of private insurance in favor of single-payer health care. Only Warren and de Blasio raised their hand. Then they all discussed the details. It worked — and it can continue to for the right kind of question.

Klobuchar’s one-liners: The overall picture wasn’t a resounding success for her, but a couple of lines landed well: one well-improvised and one clearly planned. When Washington Gov. Jay Inslee talked about being the only candidate to sign into law a reproductive rights bill, Klobuchar shot back, “I just want to say that there are three women here who have fought pretty hard for a woman’s right to choose.” The audience erupted in applause. Then later, while talking about Iran, Klouchar had maybe the line of the night on Trump: “I don’t think we should conduct foreign policy in our bathrobe at 5 o’clock in the morning.”

Former vice president Joe Biden: Did you know he is the leading Democratic candidate? You wouldn’t from this debate. There was some worry that he might be attacked in absentia and not have a chance to respond immediately, but it didn’t really happen.

Spanish: It was probably inevitable that some candidates would speak it on the stage, and O’Rourke was quick to do so, followed by Booker. Even Castro, whose lack of fluency in Spanish as the only Latino candidate has been much-discussed, offered a brief bit of bilingualism. “I need to learn Spanish by tomorrow night at 9,” tweeted Marianne Williamson, who will debate Thursday night. “My Spanish is terrible,” her fellow Thursday-nighter Andrew Yang admitted in his own tweet.

StaLinkola · #418 Post by **StaLinkola** » 27 Jun 2019, 15:15

Losers
O’Rourke: I wrote before the debate that O’Rourke was one of the candidates that needed the most out of it. He didn’t get it. Off the bat, he was asked a question about marginal tax rates and declined to offer a specific answer — instead offering an apparently pre-rehearsed Spanish monologue — and again didn’t really answer after being offered a narrower question about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (D-N.Y.) 70 percent rate. Later, he was asked why he wasn’t willing to get rid of private health insurance, and he was challenged on it by de Blasio. Rather than offer a forceful defense, he was rescued by former congressman John Delaney (D-Md.), who offered a much more studied answer. Later, when Castro hit him for not supporting a specific change to asylum rules, O’Rourke offered a broader rebuttal about his favored reforms. He righted the ship somewhat when talking about gun control later in the debate, but the whole thing reinforced the narrative that O’Rourke is somewhat out of his depth on policy.

Tulsi Gabbard: Gabbard was lost for much of the debate. That may not have been her fault — she wasn’t asked many questions — but fellow cellar-dwellers Delaney and de Blasio were able to work their way in by piggybacking on others’ answers. Toward the end, Gabbard was asked a question: About her past opposition to gay rights, which she has apologized for. Her answer about personal evolution and coming from a socially conservative family was perfectly fine. But then Booker swooped in and argued she should have also talked about transgender rights, making her answer suddenly seem insufficient.

Trump’s mission to “save the Free World”: Before the debate, Trump tweeted that he wouldn’t be watching. “Sorry, I’m on Air Force One, off to save the Free World!” But about 40 minutes in, he tweeted, “BORING!” One problem: It came right after a particularly heavy portion about that tragic image of the father and daughter.

A political plan of action: The liberal candidates, including Warren, were asked about the practicality of their proposals, and they said you need to fight for things. Candidates including Warren were asked how they would bend Mitch McConnell to their will, if he remains Senate majority leader, and they didn’t have much of a plan. Tim Ryan offered a compelling case for Democrats’ need to appeal to working-class voters, and it got some tepid applause and little buy-in from other candidates. It wasn’t exactly a lesson on how you enact actual policies.

Russia and impeachment: The first mention of either of these came more than 100 minutes into the debate. De Blasio said Russia was one of his top issues. Then Delaney was asked about whether a president should be immune from prosecution, and he said it wasn’t really what voters cared about. Then Klobuchar suggested the important issue was election security, not necessarily what to do with Trump. For all the talk about Robert S. Mueller III and impeachment in recent weeks and months, it would have been an easy applause line Wednesday night to bring this up early and often. Somehow, Democrats resisted the urge — in a way House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will surely appreciate.

Smooth production: Upon returning from the first hour and handing things off to moderators Chuck Todd and Rachel Maddow, the NBC News proceedings were marred by a hot mic — somewhere? — and they had to cut to commercial to fix things.

#419 Post by **Trollface-mies** » 28 Jun 2019, 01:39

Boromir wrote: ↑
27 Jun 2019, 11:43
Trollface äiän anti tähän topsuun on niin pilipali kamaa että jätän jatkossa kommentoimatta.

Kevyt puusilmä Bernie Bro.

Välikatossa rapiseva jyrsijä · #420 Post by **Välikatossa rapiseva jyrsijä** » 28 Jun 2019, 01:52

Jos hakisin hyviä kertoimia, löisin vetoa Tulsi Gabbardin puolesta. Obaman salaisuus oli se, että se näytti elokuvapresidentiltä. Gabbard näyttää täydelliseltä TV-sarjapresidentiltä.