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#3331 Post by Rasmus-mafioso » 28 Oct 2019, 15:21

Elikkäs Turkki pidettiin pimennossa mutta SDF-komentaja, ex-PKK Mazloum, oli ainoa ei-jenkki, joka operaatiosta ties.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/27/is ... di-killed/
Baghdadi is Dead, But ISIS Remains Emboldened Since Trump's Drawdown
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Turkey’s offensive against the Kurds has allowed ISIS fighters to escape and regroup.

U.S. special operations forces killed the leader of the Islamic State militant group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, during a raid in northwestern Syria, U.S. President Donald Trump announced Sunday morning.

But while Baghdadi’s death marks a blow to the group, the Islamic State still poses a threat in Syria, particularly since hundreds of its fighters and their family members escaped detention during a Turkish-backed incursion this month that upended months of relative calm in the northeastern part of the country, officials and experts said.
“The incredible thing is that this operation succeeded despite all the ways in which the Trump Administration made it more difficult,” said Dana Stroul, a former Pentagon official who is now a senior fellow with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
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“Just as Osama bin Laden’s death did not lead to the elimination of Al Qaeda, I would expect that Baghdadi’s removal will not be the final death knell of ISIS — despite its significance.”
The raid by the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, known as Delta Force, was carried out Oct. 26 after a complicated CIA intelligence-collection operation aided by Syrian Kurdish forces and other U.S. partners in the region, including Iraqi Kurdistan, a senior U.S. administration official told Foreign Policy.

The operation, which involved helicopters and U.S. special operations forces on the ground, was launched from Erbil, Iraq, and inside Syria, the official said.
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“Last night, the United States brought the world’s No. 1 terrorist to justice,” Trump said at the White House Sunday, noting that the United States had suffered no casualties during the operation. “The world is now a much safer place.”

Baghdadi’s death is a victory for Trump and his national security team, who have spent years hunting the world’s most wanted terrorist. But officials and experts said it would not undo the damage caused by the president’s early October decision to withdraw U.S. forces from the Turkey-Syria border, which precipitated a violent Turkish operation in northeast Syria. Thousands of ISIS fighters and family members remain in makeshift camps across the region guarded by the SDF.
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) spent five months working with the U.S. government to gather intelligence on Baghdadi’s whereabouts, according to Kurdish and U.S. officials. Gen. Mazloum Abdi, SDF commander, was the only foreigner to know about the target, he told Foreign Policy through a translator. His account was confirmed independently by the senior U.S. official.

The operation was delayed for a full month by Turkey’s military activity at the border and the subsequent incursion into northeastern Syria, Mazloum said. Ankara moved into Syria days after Trump withdrew U.S. forces from the border in early October, a move that was widely seen as a green light for the Turkish operation.

“Trump rejected assessments and spilled classified intelligence, cut off our military operations at its knees with unplanned decisions like Syria, repeatedly treated Iraq with indifference, and appeared ready to throw out the relationship with the SDF only a few weeks ago,” said Stroul.

“Yet this operation relied on U.S. intelligence our military in Syria and Iraq, intelligence breakthroughs by the Iraqi government, and an intelligence network cultivated by the SDF at U.S. request.”

The Delta Force operation that led to Baghdadi’s death would have been “extremely difficult” to pull off without a presence on the ground, said one senior U.S. official, who criticized Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw all but a few hundred U.S. forces from Syria.

Baghdadi’s death is “a blow to ISIS especially following the defeat of the caliphate. But the fight against ISIS is not over,” the official said. “We are less safe for withdrawing our forces in Syria.”

Meanwhile, reports emerged that Baghdadi’s right-hand man, Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir, an Islamic State spokesman, was targeted in a separate operation conducted jointly by SDF intelligence and the US military. Mazloum said Muhajir was targeted near Ayn al-Bayda, close to Turkish-controlled Jarablus in the Aleppo province. U.S. officials have not yet confirmed the operation.
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The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Democrat Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, applauded Baghdadi’s death, but cautioned that “we must not mistake the demise of one ISIS leader for complete and finite victory.”

“Many ISIS fighters remain in tenuous circumstances in the prisons of Northeastern Syria,” Smith said in a statement. “ISIS fighters in those prisons and around the world will not rest because of his death.”

Baghdadi was hiding out in Idlib province in northwestern Syria, in an area controlled by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a jihadi rebel group hostile to the Islamic State, when the Delta Force operation began, according to the senior U.S. official.

Baghdadi dragged three of his children into a tunnel before detonating a suicide vest, killing himself and the children, Trump said. Though his body was “mutilated” by the blast and the tunnel collapse, on-site test results “gave certain immediate and totally positive identification, it was him,” Trump said.

“This is a great day for America and a great day for the world. Last night, US joint special operations forces and interagency partners flawlessly executed a Commander-in-Chief directed operation to capture or kill Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” said Defense Secretary Mark Esper in a statement. “With our partners we defeated the physical caliphate of ISIS earlier this year and now its founder and leader is dead. This is a major victory in the enduring defeat ISIS mission.”

Trump thanked the governments of Russia, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, as well as the Syrian Kurds, for support that aided the successful completion of the mission. The president said he watched the operation from the Situation Room with Esper, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien, and other generals.

Trump said the operation did not make him rethink the decision to withdraw the majority of U.S. troops from Syria. “We’re leaving soldiers to secure the oil,” he said. Syria’s rich oil fields are situated in eastern Syria, primarily in territory controlled by the SDF.
The SDF, which has fought the Islamic State alongside the United States and others since 2015, contributed to the operation through a network of human intelligence throughout northern Syria, according to U.S. and Kurdish sources. Though Idlib is controlled primarily by Syrian rebels and Hayat Tahrir al-Sham—formerly known as the Nusra Front, the Syrian arm of al Qaeda—the SDF has “many sympathizers and informers” there, a Kurdish source said.

In March, a spokesperson for the People’s Protection Units (YPG), which makes up the backbone of the SDF, said their intelligence indicated Baghdadi was in Idlib.

“Successful& historical operation due to a joint intelligence work with the United States of America,” tweeted Mazloum.

The United States informed Turkey of the operation ahead of time to prevent an unintended clash of forces but did not specify the target due to concerns the information would be compromised, the U.S. official said. Ankara did not play a role in the operation.

“Turkey did not provide any assistance in this operation and he was located right next to their border,” the official said. “That shows you how little they do on countering ISIS.”
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The official Twitter account for the Turkish Ministry of Defense tweeted that “Prior to the US Operation in Idlib Province of Syria last night, information exchange and coordination between the military authorities of both countries took place.”

Turkey earlier this month invaded northeastern Syria in an operation that has killed hundreds of Kurdish civilians and fighters. The Kurds were guarding tens of thousands of Islamic State prisoners and family members living in camps across the region.

In a temporary cease-fire agreement brokered by the United States, Turkey vowed to continue routing out the Islamic State in Syria. However, a large number of Islamic State detainees have been able to escape during the operation, including some who were deliberately freed by Turkish-backed forces. Many of them have ties to extremist groups.
In a statement, the SDF warned of the continuing dangers from ISIS and Turkish-backed forces in Syria.

“We warn the world of the danger that jihadi factions with the Turkish army may enter Ras al-Ain and Tel Abyad areas occupied by Turkey-backed militias and that the region could become another safe-haven in which ISIS may find opportunities to re-organize,” according to the statement. “We have already indicated that IS members and some senior leaders of the group have already moved to areas controlled by Turkish army in northern Syria.”

Reports emerged Sunday that Iraq claimed to have provided Baghdadi’s exact location. However, the U.S. official disputed that account, saying the operation was triggered by him showing up at a place where the team had already established intelligence collection.
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Re: Syyrian tilanne

#3332 Post by Rasmus-mafioso » 28 Oct 2019, 15:25

Jenkit myös tuonu lisää joukkoja Irakista takas Syyrian puolelle.



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#3333 Post by Pipo » 28 Oct 2019, 15:44

Eli tää on nyt varmaan sitä öljylähteiden suojelua mitä sanottiin olevan tiedossa?
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#3335 Post by Pipo » 28 Oct 2019, 17:08

Mitään ei kannattaisi selvitellä ettei vaan käytettäisi anarkisti- ja ääriryhmäpiireissä väärin.
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#3336 Post by sikakyttä » 28 Oct 2019, 17:21

Enemmänhän tämä liittyy ihmisten harhoihin vihreistä maailman pelastajina jne. Ja Ohisalosta. Siinäpä toteaa että kyybelit toimivat hienosti kun antoivat jatkaa mielenosoitusta vaikka olisi ollut perusteet keskeyttää. Väärä topic vaikka miekkari liittyi syyriaan.

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#3337 Post by dikäli mikäli » 28 Oct 2019, 19:42

sikakyttä wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 17:21
Enemmänhän tämä liittyy ihmisten harhoihin vihreistä maailman pelastajina jne. Ja Ohisalosta. Siinäpä toteaa että kyybelit toimivat hienosti kun antoivat jatkaa mielenosoitusta vaikka olisi ollut perusteet keskeyttää. Väärä topic vaikka miekkari liittyi syyriaan.
Voidaanko nyt vetää johtopäätös, että Ohisalo on autoritäärisen valtion ja Erdoganin puolella?

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#3338 Post by Texas-Peten soosit » 28 Oct 2019, 19:52

dikäli mikäli wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 19:42
sikakyttä wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 17:21
Enemmänhän tämä liittyy ihmisten harhoihin vihreistä maailman pelastajina jne. Ja Ohisalosta. Siinäpä toteaa että kyybelit toimivat hienosti kun antoivat jatkaa mielenosoitusta vaikka olisi ollut perusteet keskeyttää. Väärä topic vaikka miekkari liittyi syyriaan.
Voidaanko nyt vetää johtopäätös, että Ohisalo on autoritäärisen valtion ja Erdoganin puolella?
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#3339 Post by Rasmus-mafioso » 28 Oct 2019, 20:28

No siis kaikkihan on kuullu viherfasisteista
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#3340 Post by uusi kusta » 28 Oct 2019, 20:45

Texas-Peten soosit wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 19:52
dikäli mikäli wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 19:42
sikakyttä wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 17:21
Enemmänhän tämä liittyy ihmisten harhoihin vihreistä maailman pelastajina jne. Ja Ohisalosta. Siinäpä toteaa että kyybelit toimivat hienosti kun antoivat jatkaa mielenosoitusta vaikka olisi ollut perusteet keskeyttää. Väärä topic vaikka miekkari liittyi syyriaan.
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#3341 Post by AI-Virtanen » 28 Oct 2019, 22:30

Saapi nähdä koska tulee Turkin "erikoisoperaation" vuoro:
duvar wrote:SDF commander is as much a terrorist as Baghdadi, Turkish Minister says

Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu has said that the SDF commander sought with a red warrant by the country is “as much a terrorist as” ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who was killed in an overnight raid by the U.S.
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Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu has said that ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is “as much a terrorist as” Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) commander Mazloum Kobani.

Soylu’s remarks came following the killing of Baghdadi in an overnight raid by the U.S. in Syria’s Idlib on Oct. 26.

“This is a great victory won against a terrorist. There are still several troublesome issues. With all due respect, Ferhat Abdi Şahin is as much a terrorist as Baghdadi. This is loud and clear,” Soylu said on Oct. 28, as he referred to the real name of Kobani.

Kobani is the source of a rift between Turkey and the U.S., with the former urging the latter to extradite him.

Turkey’s Operation Peace Spring was carried out against the SDF, of which the leading group is the People’s Protection Units (YPG) – the Syrian affiliate of Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

Turkey has been battling the PKK, which is designated as a terrorist organization by Ankara, Washington and the European Union, for over 35 years.

Ankara is seeking Kobani with a red warrant and has criticized U.S. authorities for being in touch with him.

On Oct. 28, Turkey’s Justice Ministry has sent a letter of extradition request to the Foreign Ministry to be sent to the U.S.

During his speech, Soylu also slammed the U.S.

“He [Kobani] is a villain and a murderer and the states that are states of law can’t accept him as a party,” he said.

Turkish Presidential Communications Director Fahrettin Altun, meanwhile, praised the killing of Baghdadi, while also urging a thorough investigation about his movements within Syria.

“There should be a thorough investigation about the movement of the DAESH leader within Syria and eventually to Idlib. Those responsible for helping, abetting, and tolerating such movements need to be investigated and brought to justice,” Altun tweeted on Oct. 28, using an Arabic acronym for ISIS.

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#3342 Post by Elmeri suosittelee » 29 Oct 2019, 04:19

Beau aprikoi jenkkien taktiikkaa Baghdadin suhteen ja antaa 3 vaihtoehtoa, mitä tulee tapahtumaan. Äijän pitäs tietää, ku on ex sotilas.. :-k

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#3345 Post by Rasmus-mafioso » 29 Oct 2019, 10:22

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