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#1201 Post by superlemmikki » 14 Apr 2021, 13:52

Jesse Python wrote:
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Jotkut toivoivat puheen sisältävän pohdintaa Trumpin hiljattain päättyneestä presidenttikaudesta, mutta sen teemat kiersivät kuitenkin tuttuun tapaan virheellisten vaalivilppiväitteiden sekä toisten haukkumisen ympärillä
Mutta eikös tossa ollut just sitä pohdintaa presidenttikaudesta, tai ainakin samaa pohditaa kuin presidenttikauden aikana :scratch:
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#1202 Post by 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE » 14 Apr 2021, 14:01

Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema wrote:
14 Apr 2021, 13:40
Määrittelemätön wrote:
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Mun mielestä osavaltiojuttu, ja joissain esim. Kuvernööri nimittää korvaavan edustajan. Siellähän on joka puolueelta vaan yks ehdokas, niin mitään toisiksi suosituinta saman puolueen ehdokasta ei ole.
Juu. Esim Arizonassa McCainin tyhjäksi jäänyt paikka oli pitkään täyttämättä ilmeisesti demupelon takia, joka sit täytettiin viime vaaleissa. Sitä en tiedä, onko menettely erilainen senaatin ja edustajainhuoneen suhteen.
Arizonassa juurikin kuvernööri nimittää korvaajan, joka istuu paikalla seuraaviin isoihin vaaleihin asti, kuten meneteltiin McCaininkin kohdalla.
Joo, ja McCain kuoli niin lähellä välivaaleja että paikkaa ei ehditty pistää välivaaleihin auki. Duceyhän nimitti siihen ensin Jon Kylin, joka erosi heti vuoden 2018 lopussa, ja tilalle nimitettiin Martha McSally, joka oli käynyt häviämässä Sinemalle välivaaleissa toisesta Arizonan senaattoripaikasta. Sit 2020 McSally kävi häviämässä sen omankin paikkansa.
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#1203 Post by Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja » 15 Apr 2021, 09:48

Edelweiss wrote:saatanan nuupauttaja , en tiedä. :cry:

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#1204 Post by MC Nigga T » 15 Apr 2021, 19:14

verkkouutiset.fi wrote:Yhdysvallat lupaa palkkion Donald Trumpille vakoilleesta venäläisestä

Joe Bidenin hallinto kertoo uusista pakotteista torstai-iltana.

Yhdysvaltain liittovaltion poliisi FBI on etsintäkuuluttanut venäläisen Konstantin Kilimnikin yrityksistä vaikuttaa marraskuun 2020 vaaleihin. FBI lupaa 250000 dollarin palkkion tiedoista, jotka johtavat Kilimnikin pidättämiseen. Tämän epäillään oleskelevan Venäjällä.

FBI:n mukaan Kilimnik on poliittinen konsultti, joka työskentelee Venäjän sotilastiedustelupalvelussa. Vuoden 2016 presidentinvaaleissa hän toimitti arkaluontoisia tietoja Venäjälle. Lisäksi Kilimnik levitti Yhdysvalloissa tietoja, joiden mukaan Venäjä ei pyrkinyt vaikuttamaan vaalien lopputulokseen vaan Ukraina.

Vuonna 2018 Kilimnikiä vastaan nostettiin Yhdysvalloissa syyte siitä, että hän olisi estänyt oikeuslaitoksen toimintaa. Syyte koski rekisteröimätöntä lobbaustyötä, FBI toteaa.

Kilimnikin yhteistyökumppani on ollut yhdysvaltalainen Paul Manafort, joka on toiminut usein republikaanipresidenttien neuvonantajana. Hän toimi Donald Trumpin kampanjapäällikkönä vuoden 2016 vaaleissa. Manafort tuomittiin vankilaan vuonna 2019 talousrikoksista. Trump armahti hänet viime vuoden lopussa.

Manafort toimi myös Ukrainan entisen presidentin Viktor Janukovytšin neuvonantajana ennen kuin tämä tehtävästään erotettuna pakeni Venäjälle vuonna 2014. Myös Kilimnik on avustanut Janukovytšia, ja FBI:n mukaan hän on valmistellut suunnitelmaa, joka nostaisi Janukovytšin takaisin valtaan Ukrainassa.

Toinen Kilimnikin yhdysvaltalaiskontakti on ollut poliittinen konsultti Rick Gates, joka sai lyhyen tuomion Yhdysvaltain vastaisesta toiminnasta vuonna 2019. Tuomio tuli siitä, että hän antoi viranomaisille vääriä tietoja Venäjän sekaantumisesta vuoden 2016 vaaleihin. Gates on toiminut Manafortin avustajana. FBI:n mukaan Gates tiesi, että Kilimnik työskenteli Venäjän tiedustelun hyväksi.

Yhdysvallat ilmoitti vastikään, että se asettaa uusia pakotteita Venäjää ja sen joitakin kansalaisia kohtaan. Yhdysvaltain mukaan Venäjän tiedustelu on syyllistynyt mittavaan kybervakoiluun, jossa Venäjä tunkeutui Yhdysvaltain valtiovarainministeriön, oikeusministeriön ja puolustusministeriön järjestelmiin. Presidentti Joe Bidenin hallinto kertoo uusien pakotteiden yksityiskohtia Suomen aikaa torstai-iltana.
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#1205 Post by Pasi Fist » 16 Apr 2021, 06:54

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/le ... e=facebook
Armed ‘quick reaction force’ was waiting for order to storm Capitol, Justice Dept. says
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Pasi Fist wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 06:54
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/le ... e=facebook
Armed ‘quick reaction force’ was waiting for order to storm Capitol, Justice Dept. says
Artikkelin sisältö niille jotka joilta puuttuu WaPon lukukertoja:
Spoiler:
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April 15, 2021 at 12:29 a.m. GMT+3
As the Capitol was overrun on Jan. 6, armed supporters of President Donald Trump were waiting across the Potomac in Virginia for orders to bring guns into the fray, a prosecutor said Wednesday in federal court.

The Justice Department has repeatedly highlighted comments from some alleged riot participants who discussed being part of a “quick reaction force” with stashes of weapons. Defendants have dismissed those conversations as bluster. But in a detention hearing for Kenneth Harrelson, accused of conspiring with other members of the Oath Keepers militia group to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s election win, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey S. Nestler said the government has evidence indicating otherwise.

“This is not pure conjecture,” Nestler said. In a court filing this week, he noted, prosecutors obtained cellphone and video evidence from the day before the riot showing that Harrelson asked someone about the quick reaction force. He then went to a Comfort Inn in the Ballston area of Arlington for about an hour before driving into D.C., prosecutors said. The day after the riot, surveillance video from the hotel shows him moving “what appears to be at least one rifle case down a hallway and towards the elevator,” according to the court records.


National Guard members on duty near the Capitol. (Carolyn Kaster/AP)
In court, Nestler said another Oath Keeper carried what appeared to be a rifle under a sheet out of the hotel on Jan. 7.

U.S. Capitol Police officer cleared of wrongdoing in fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt during Capitol attack

“We believe that at least one quick reaction force location was here and that Mr. Harrelson and others had stashed a large amount of weapons there,” Nestler said. “People affiliated with this group were in Ballston, monitoring what was happening at the Capitol and prepared to come into D.C. and ferry these weapons into the ground team that Kenneth Harrelson was running at a moment’s notice, if anyone said the word.”

Nestler did not detail the number of guns the group is alleged to have stashed.

Judge Amit Mehta called the evidence among the “most troubling and most disconcerting” he has seen in nearly a dozen cases related to Oath Keepers.

It is “the strongest evidence that the government has presented that there was a quick reaction force outside the District of Columbia, the location of the quick reaction force and that members of this conspiracy provided weapons to this quick reaction force,” he said. Harrelson, he added, “clearly is prepared to have weapons at the ready for violent conduct.”

Harrelson was a high-ranking member of the Oath Keepers, prosecutors said, in regular contact with group leader Stewart Rhodes. While members use the jargon and trappings of a paramilitary organization, in practice the group is made up of loosely connected chapters united by a right-wing ideology.

In conversations after the riot produced in court documents, Harrelson and others argued over the group’s leadership and direction.

“Look, I WAS THERE. I WAS RIGHT OUSIDE. Patriots stormed in. NotAntifa. And I don’t blame them,” wrote Rhodes, identified as Person Number One in documents.

“This organization is a huge . . . joke,” someone replied.

Harrelson, a 41-year-old Army veteran, subsequently apologized to Rhodes in a message on an encrypted chat service for not “step[ping] up to the plate” on Jan. 6.

“Not your fault, my fault,” Rhodes said, adding that he should have “held a mandatory meeting” the night before the riot and given out operating orders.

Harrelson deleted other communications, and Mehta found that Harrelson was “deceptive” in claiming he had left the group.

Defense attorney Nina Ginsberg argued that the commentary both on and after Jan. 6 indicates a lack of planning.

Calls, texts by Oath Keepers founder contain ‘substantial evidence’ of Capitol conspiracy, prosecutors allege

“It’s kind of difficult to imagine how people could have been effectively communicating with each other in the midst of that mob,” she said. “There was no preplanned agreement to overtake the Capitol, to storm the building, to force entry into the building, but that this was something that evolved as it was occurring.”

She said any inference about plans for armed backup at the Capitol was “speculation.”

In a court filing last month, the defense attorney for one of Harrelson’s alleged co-conspirators said the quick reaction force was “one person” who is “in his late 60s, obese, and has cardio-pulmonary issues, a bad back, a bum knee, and is need of a hip replacement.”

The person described in that filing has not been charged, and there is no evidence that any backup force arrived at the Capitol with weapons on Jan. 6.

In court filings, prosecutors have quoted Rhodes messaging the group in advance about preparations for “worst-case scenarios,” writing, “We will have several well equipped QRFs outside DC.”

Rhodes also recommended helmets, hard gloves, eye protection and weapons, according to prosecutors, writing: “Collapsible Batons are a grey area in the law. I bring one. But I’m willing to take that risk because I love em.”

Rhodes, who has not been charged with any crimes, has denied a plan to enter the Capitol and accused prosecutors of trying to manufacture a conspiracy.

In interviews, Rhodes has said that the national Oath Keepers organization never did muster a quick reaction force for Jan. 6, and that some members and their associates “went off mission.”

Police on Jan. 6 charged only a handful of firearms offenses in Capitol-related cases. Because so few arrests were made on the scene that day, however, investigators say the true number of rioters who were carrying firearms will never be known.

In charging papers, the FBI and Justice Department allege that many defendants discussed bringing firearms to Washington, as well as not carrying them to the Capitol because of the District’s gun laws.

Oath Keepers founder, associates exchanged 19 calls from start of Jan. 6 riot through breach, prosecutors allege

One of those arrested late Jan. 6 for not leaving Capitol grounds was Maryland tow truck driver Christopher Alberts. Police said they stopped him outside the building carrying a loaded black Taurus G2C 9mm handgun on his hip and a loaded, 12-round spare magazine in separate holsters, along with a gas mask, pocket knife and first-aid kit.

The oldest detained defendant, Lonnie L. Coffman, 70, of Alabama was arrested after returning to his truck parked near the Capitol, where police allegedly found 11 homemade, molotov cocktail-type incendiary devices, a rifle, shotgun, two 9mm pistols, a .22-caliber pistol — all loaded — as well as a crossbow, several machetes, a stun gun and smoke devices. Prosecutors alleged that the 11 jars were made with gasoline and melted plastic foam to produce a dangerous “napalm-like” explosion of sticky, flammable liquid.

Other charging and detention documents allege that many defendants discussed leaving weapons in vehicles, parking lots, hotel rooms, bags or with others to ensure quick access.

New York dating coach Samuel Fisher, also known as Brad Holiday, was arrested after allegedly posting on social media photos of himself at the Capitol and with firearms including a pistol and a rifle.

“If it kicks off I got a Vest and My Rifle,” he wrote, according to court documents.

Prosecutors have alleged that Erik Munchel of Nashville stashed weapons in a tactical bag outside the Capitol before bringing a stun gun inside. A search of his home found a legal arsenal of 15 firearms including assault rifles, a sniper rifle and tripod, other types of rifles, shotguns and pistols, a drum-style magazine, and other magazines and ammunition.

Searching the home of Karl Dresch of Calumet, Mich., investigators say they found a backpack containing a Hagerstown, Md., gas station receipt, a Metro transit card, radar detector, handheld radio and 160 rounds of ammunition. In his home they found a 12-gauge shotgun, a Glock pistol, a Remington rifle and a Russian-made AK-47-style rifle compatible with the ammunition.

A Dresch attorney said the weapons were “the type of ordinary firearms that are commonplace in rural households throughout America.” Attorneys for the other defendants have emphasized that they are not accused of weapons-related crimes.

D.C. police Officer Daniel Hodges said in a January interview that one reason he did not draw his weapon during the riot was that police understood the crowd to be armed.

“I knew they had guns — we had been seizing guns all day,” he said. “And the only reason I could think of that they weren’t shooting us was they were waiting for us to shoot first.”
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#1207 Post by badger » 16 Apr 2021, 11:31

D.C. police Officer Daniel Hodges said in a January interview that one reason he did not draw his weapon during the riot was that police understood the crowd to be armed.

“I knew they had guns — we had been seizing guns all day,” he said. “And the only reason I could think of that they weren’t shooting us was they were waiting for us to shoot first.”
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normaalisti tän kai pitäs mennä niin päin et poliisilla on niin paljo tulivoimaa, ettei mellakoitsijat uskalla ampua, mutta :?:

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#1208 Post by Jesse Python » 16 Apr 2021, 11:33

badger sadberg badger wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 11:31
D.C. police Officer Daniel Hodges said in a January interview that one reason he did not draw his weapon during the riot was that police understood the crowd to be armed.

“I knew they had guns — we had been seizing guns all day,” he said. “And the only reason I could think of that they weren’t shooting us was they were waiting for us to shoot first.”
nähtävästi aseiden omistaminen siis auttaa pitämään hallitus kurissa

normaalisti tän kai pitäs mennä niin päin et poliisilla on niin paljo tulivoimaa, ettei mellakoitsijat uskalla ampua, mutta :?:
Näiden perusteella toi tilanne oli helvetisti tulenarempi kuin aiemmin analysoitiin.

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#1209 Post by Mäd Bästärd » 16 Apr 2021, 13:11

Jesse Python wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 11:33
badger sadberg badger wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 11:31
D.C. police Officer Daniel Hodges said in a January interview that one reason he did not draw his weapon during the riot was that police understood the crowd to be armed.

“I knew they had guns — we had been seizing guns all day,” he said. “And the only reason I could think of that they weren’t shooting us was they were waiting for us to shoot first.”
nähtävästi aseiden omistaminen siis auttaa pitämään hallitus kurissa

normaalisti tän kai pitäs mennä niin päin et poliisilla on niin paljo tulivoimaa, ettei mellakoitsijat uskalla ampua, mutta :?:
Näiden perusteella toi tilanne oli helvetisti tulenarempi kuin aiemmin analysoitiin.
Mietityttää että mitä ois pitäny käydä tai minkä verran virkavallan vastapalloa olis pitäny tulla että olisivat tilanneet rynkyt aseenkantajilta :-k

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#1210 Post by Pasi Fist » 17 Apr 2021, 06:43

Koko artikkeli linkin takana:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ers-guilty
Far-right Oath Keepers member is first suspect to plead guilty in US Capitol riot

Jon Ryan Schaffer gave a guilty plea in hopes of getting a lighter sentence and will be considered for a witness security program

A member of the far-right Oath Keepers militia group and heavy metal guitarist has become the first defendant to plead guilty to federal charges in connection with the insurrection at the US Capitol.

Jon Ryan Schaffer, the frontman of the band Iced Earth, has agreed on Friday to cooperate with investigators in hopes of getting a lighter sentence, and the Justice Department will consider putting Schaffer in the federal witness security program, a US district judge said...
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#1211 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 17 Apr 2021, 07:14

Metal-vasikka...
He was sairas.

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#1212 Post by Pasi Fist » 17 Apr 2021, 07:22

Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:14
Metal-vasikka...
Ja äärioikeistolainen fanaatikko.
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#1213 Post by Lana Ctrl-Alt-Del Rey » 17 Apr 2021, 07:29

Pasi Fist wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:22
Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:14
Metal-vasikka...
Ja äärioikeistolainen fanaatikko.
Toivottavasti kukaan ei vienyt hänen pulliaan.
He was sairas.

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#1214 Post by Pasi Fist » 17 Apr 2021, 07:38

Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:29
Pasi Fist wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:22
Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:14
Metal-vasikka...
Ja äärioikeistolainen fanaatikko.
Toivottavasti kukaan ei vienyt hänen pulliaan.
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#1215 Post by Naantalin seksuaalimaagikko » 17 Apr 2021, 07:48

Pasi Fist wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:38
Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:29
Pasi Fist wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:22
Jeffrey Lee Perse wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 07:14
Metal-vasikka...
Ja äärioikeistolainen fanaatikko.
Toivottavasti kukaan ei vienyt hänen pulliaan.
:D
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