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#331 Post by kuka hemmetti » 27 Apr 2019, 21:28

biden nyt on biden on biden ja kunnon setämiäs mut ehkö se on se dem ehdokkaista kekä tehokakimmin saa viime vaaleissa trumpia äänestäneitä liikkuvia/liikkuneita äänestäjiä imuroitua. en sitte tiiä kuinka ratkaseva tekijä tää on missään muussa kun korkeintaan ehkä siinä et trump vissiin on samaa mieltä ja sekös vasta pistää sitä vituttamaan

biden ois tosiaan vaalit voitetaan keskeltä ehdokas.
ehkä warren varapressana vois olla tohon hyvä veto.
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#332 Post by Naantalin seksuaalimaagikko » 27 Apr 2019, 22:08

kuka vittu wrote:
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biden nyt on biden on biden ja kunnon setämiäs mut ehkö se on se dem ehdokkaista kekä tehokakimmin saa viime vaaleissa trumpia äänestäneitä liikkuvia/liikkuneita äänestäjiä imuroitua. en sitte tiiä kuinka ratkaseva tekijä tää on missään muussa kun korkeintaan ehkä siinä et trump vissiin on samaa mieltä ja sekös vasta pistää sitä vituttamaan

biden ois tosiaan vaalit voitetaan keskeltä ehdokas.
ehkä warren varapressana vois olla tohon hyvä veto.
Jotenkin vois kuvitella, että tässä kohtaa demoja kiinnostas eniten se, että kenellä on suurin mahdollisuus päihittää Trump ja saada se ehdokkaaksi. Vitun väliä kuka se on kunhan Trumpistä pääsee eroon :o
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#333 Post by Hyödytön idiootti » 28 Apr 2019, 08:00

Kisa Trumpin haastajasta alkaa lämmetä Yhdysvalloissa

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#334 Post by Hyödytön idiootti » 28 Apr 2019, 11:58

20 Democrats are running for president in 2020. Here are their biggest priorities

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#335 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 28 Apr 2019, 19:11

Politicolla on hyvä interaktiivinen yhteenvetojuttu demokraattien ehdokkaiden kannoista tärkeisiin kysymyksiiin.
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#336 Post by Jussin villapaita » 30 Apr 2019, 16:21

Suhteellinen kova meno amerikkalassa:
The Daily Beast wrote:Far-Right Smear Merchants Try to Slime Pete Buttigieg with Bogus Sex Assault Claim
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A pair of right-wing provocateurs are being accused of attempting to recruit young Republican men to level false allegations of sexual assault against Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg.

The details of the operatives’ attempt emerged as one man suddenly surfaced with a vague and uncorroborated allegation that Buttigieg had assaulted him. The claim was retracted hours later on a Facebook page appearing to belong to the man.

A Republican source told The Daily Beast that lobbyist Jack Burkman and internet troll Jacob Wohl approached him last week to try to convince him to falsely accuse Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, of engaging him sexually while he was too drunk to consent.

The source who spoke to The Daily Beast said Burkman and Wohl made clear that their goal was to kneecap Buttigieg’s momentum in the 2020 presidential race. The man asked to remain anonymous out of a concern that the resulting publicity might imperil his employment, and because he said Wohl and Burkman have a reputation for vindictiveness.

But the source provided The Daily Beast with a surreptitious audio recording of the meeting, which corroborates his account. In it, Wohl appears to refer to Buttigieg as a “terminal threat” to President Donald Trump’s reelection next year.

Neither Burkman nor Wohl responded to repeated requests for comment on this story. But after The Daily Beast contacted them last week, traces of the scheme disappeared from the web and social media.

On Monday, a separate individual using the name of Hunter Kelly published a post on the site Medium in which he alleged that Buttigieg sexually assaulted him in February. That post was tweeted out by David Wohl, Jacob’s father, and quickly re-written by the site Big League Politics, which is known as a landing ground for right-wing conspiracy theories.

Kelly’s supposed Medium and Twitter accounts both say they were created this month. His Facebook page includes several posts lauding Trump and criticizing Hillary Clinton. He appears to have responded to Jacob Wohl’s posts on Instagram in the past.

The Daily Beast reached out to Kelly on a cellphone listed to him in the student directory at his Michigan college. Told we were reporting on apparent efforts by Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman to drum up false sexual assault allegations against Buttigieg, Kelly replied, “I was unaware this was happening. But yes it is true.”

Kelly wrote that he did not control the newly created Medium and Twitter accounts that posted the allegations under his name. When asked if he could verify his identity, he texted the Daily Beast a selfie that matched the photo seen on Medium and on Kelly’s longstanding Facebook accounts.

“Here is a selfie of me, sorry I have been crying,” he wrote. “Today and the promises made didn’t go as planned.”

Kelly declined to provide more details. But two hours later he posted a message to his Facebook timeline headed, “I WAS NOT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.”

...The source added that he recognized Wohl because of his internet notoriety and decided to record their conversation, convinced that it could prove useful should any investigation be launched into the origins of the anti-Buttigieg scheme. The audio was provided on the condition that it not be published, so as not to reveal its source.

An expert in audio forensics contacted by The Daily Beast then examined the recording and confirmed that Wohl was one of the speakers.

"Our findings are that it is highly likely that one of the voice on the recording is Jacob Wohl's voice," Hafiz Malik, an associate professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, told The Daily Beast after analyzing the recording.

...The source did not agree to participate in the scheme, but Wohl followed up with a phone call a day or two later to see if he could recommend friends or associates who might be a good fit to play the victim in the hoax.

The phone number he called from was listed on the website of a company called Potomac Intelligence Group, which claimed to be a political and corporate intelligence firm with offices in Virginia and California. Matt Teller, the alias that Burkman used in the meeting, was listed as a Potomac Intelligence employee.

Minutes after The Daily Beast reached out to Wohl and Burkman, the Potomac Intelligence website was taken down, Teller’s LinkedIn page was deleted, and both of the company’s phone numbers were disconnected.

That website was similar in appearance to that of Surefire Intelligence, a fake company that Wohl set up under the pseudonym Matthew Cohen and used to peddle false sexual assault allegations against Special Counsel Robert Mueller last year.

...Wohl and Burkman have maintained a steady stream of publicity stunts in spite of that scrutiny. In February, at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, they held a “press conference” where they claimed that Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) married her own brother to get him U.S. citizenship. In the course of “investigating” those claims, Wohl faked a number of death threats against himself.

...Their attempt to go after Buttigieg doesn’t appear to be going much better. As our source recalled, “I was sitting there thinking: this is the Fyre Festival of political operations.”

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#337 Post by Hikinen Möhömaha » 01 May 2019, 15:39

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#338 Post by Hyödytön idiootti » 06 May 2019, 07:39

Yhdysvaltain presidentinvaalit ovat vasta puolentoista vuoden päässä, mutta kisa Trumpin haastajan paikasta on jo käynnissä. Takavasemmalta yhdeksi kärkiehdokkaaksi on tullut Pete Buttigieg, joka on monien demokraattiehdokkaiden tavoin ottanut opiksi istuvalta presidentiltä. Sääntömuutoksen ansiosta myös puolue-eliitin ulkopuolelta tulevilla on uusi mahdollisuus.

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#339 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 10 May 2019, 00:36

Mediatilan hallinnassa on neljä demokraattiehdokasta omassa luokassaan, kertoo Politico. Sanders, Biden, Harris ja Warren ovat kahmineet yhteensä yli puolet maininnoista perinteisessä mediassa. Sosiaalisen median puolella Sanders ja ehkä vähän yllättäen Harris ovat olleet ylivoimaisia. Vertailuun vaikuttaa tietty se, että nämä ovat olleet kisassa pisimpään mukana (Biden ei virallisesti, mutta suosituimpana vaihtoehtona kuitenkin). O'Rourken ympärillä pöhisevä pöhinä ei yllättäen ole kantanut lähellekään kärkikahinoita.
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From Jan. 1 to April 30, four candidates — Sanders, Biden, Harris and Warren — accounted for more than half the primary field’s traditional news media mentions, according to a data analysis conducted for POLITICO by the media intelligence company Meltwater. And Sanders and Harris together accounted for nearly half of the primary field’s social media footprint.

Harris and Warren were surpassed only by Sanders in traditional news media mentions, though they announced their candidacies relatively early in the year, giving them more time to amass coverage.
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#340 Post by Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja » 14 May 2019, 18:12

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#341 Post by StaLinkola » 14 May 2019, 22:26

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -128997604
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Joe Biden would be a disaster for climate change
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The Democratic contender for president provided details of his climate plan and it boils down to: business as usual

Last year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) called for “rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society” to avert full blown climate catastrophe. It’s not too late to stave off the worst impacts, they urged – indeed, it’s “possible within the laws of physics and chemistry”. But we need to act fast.

Presidential candidate Joe Biden, 76, seems to have a very different understanding of the climate crisis than the world’s leading climate scientists. Several top advisers to the former vice-president previewed his “middle of the road” plan on the issue for Reuters on Friday. He’ll have the US rejoin the Paris agreement, which Trump has said he will leave exit as soon as that document’s terms allow in early 2021. He’ll preserve existing regulations on emissions and fuel efficiency that the current administration has targeted. Like Obama, he’ll embrace an “all of the above” energy strategy, with plenty of room for new natural gas development and exports as well as carbon capture and storage, to indefinitely extend the life of the coal industry.

The Sunrise Movement – one of the leading groups pushing for a Green New Deal – has rightfully called Biden’s plan a “death sentence for our generation”, advocating instead the kind of economy-wide mobilization scientists have urged.

“Right now, we need a little bit more reality around this dialogue,” Heather Zichal told Reuters, taking a swipe at such plans. Zichal, “who has become Biden’s informal advisor on climate change policy,” Volcovici writes, also served as a top climate advisor to the Obama administration.

Until recently, she sat on the board of directors of Cheniere Energy, a natural gas company that would stand to profit handsomely if federal policy stands by natural gas as a so-called bridge fuel to renewables. Her resignation from Cheniere, an official statement of theirs clarified, “was not due to any disagreement with the company or its management with respect to any matter relating to the company’s operations, policies or practices”. And why would she? Before leaving Cheniere last summer, she made over $1m through her four year stretch there, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings. The only reality Zichal seems concerned with is one where the the fossil fuel companies that she has gotten rich off of keep realizing fat profits.

Scientific reality is a different story. A recent report from Oil Change International found that allowing the industry continuing to explore for and extract all the new fuel deposits they intend to would run directly counter to the goals inscribed in the Paris agreement. As the IPCC report indicates, meeting those will mean that global natural gas usage decline by 74% by mid-century – and arguably much faster in the US. Staying below 2C means keeping 80% of known fossil fuel reserves buried underground.

As out of touch as they are with the scale of the climate challenge, Biden’s industry-friendly plans aren’t surprising. In a video announcing his White House bid, Biden painted Donald Trump’s presidency as an aberration. His promise? Get the country back to business as usual. Presumably, that also means the business of digging up and and burning as many fossil fuels as humanly possible. Last November, Obama bragged to a crowd in Houston about the explosion of oil and gas drilling during his time in office. “Suddenly America’s like the biggest oil producer and the biggest gas – that was me, people,” he said, fishing for an applause.

The upshot here isn’t complicated: Biden does not have a plan to keep warming below 1.5 or even 2C. If every country fully lived up to its pledges in the Paris agreement, for instance – including the Clean Power Plan the Obama administration crafted to satisfy its contribution – we’d be on track for a little over 3C of warming, displacing tens of millions of people from the world’s coastal cities, submerging low-lying island states and gravely threatening the world’s food supply. As atmosphere scientists Andrew Dessler told HuffPost’s Alexander Kaufman, Biden’s plans would “be more in line with stabilizing at 3-4C of warming, rather than staying below 2C”.

“Middle Class Joe” may well believe that the climate crisis poses an existential threat, which is more than can be said of the current administration. If his climate plan is to get us back to 2016, he’s not any more in touch with reality than they are.

• This article was amended on 14 May 2019. An earlier version incorrectly stated Biden’s age as 79. He is 76.

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#342 Post by MOISIO » 15 May 2019, 00:04

Mä en valitettavasti oikein jaksa uskoa että jenkkien ilmastopolitiikassa tapahtuis mitään kunnianhimoista käännettä jolla ois vaikutusta yhtään mihinkään riippumatta siitä kuka valitaan pressaksi 2020, teollisuuden ja muiden intressitahojen vaikutusvalta on sielläkin liian suurta ja varsinkin jos/kun taantumaa pukkaa niin jotkut ilmastotavoitteet lentää ekana ikkunasta
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#343 Post by Kauko Keuhkon näköinen mies » 15 May 2019, 00:46

MOISIO wrote:
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Mä en valitettavasti oikein jaksa uskoa että jenkkien ilmastopolitiikassa tapahtuis mitään kunnianhimoista käännettä jolla ois vaikutusta yhtään mihinkään riippumatta siitä kuka valitaan pressaksi 2020, teollisuuden ja muiden intressitahojen vaikutusvalta on sielläkin liian suurta ja varsinkin jos/kun taantumaa pukkaa niin jotkut ilmastotavoitteet lentää ekana ikkunasta
Trumpin jälkeen kuka vaan ois kunnianhimoinen käänne, ja jossain vaiheessa sielläkin alkaa tapahtua. Tai en tiiä.
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#344 Post by Ingmar Bergmanin kuolema » 16 May 2019, 00:43

Politicolta mielenkiintoista spekulointia siitä, kuinka vaa'ankieliosavaltioiden laansäädäntöelimet ja korkeimmat oikeudet voivat kaapata ratkaisijan roolin presidentinvaalissa, mikäli äänestykset menevät tiukoiksi vuoden 2000 Bush-Gore-kisan malliin. Yhdessä esimerkkiskenaariossa yhden tai useamman osavaltion valitsijahenkilöiden äänet heitetään roskiin epäselvän vaalin vuoksi, jolloin yksikään presidenttiehdokas ei saavuta enemmistöä. Tällöin seuraavan presidentin valitsevat edustajainhuoneen jäsenet siten, että jokaisella osavaltiolla on yksi ääni. Tämän hetken asetelmissa republikaanit veisivät kisan 26-24, vaikka demokraatit ovatkin enemmistönä edustajainhuoneessa.
How the 2020 Election Could Go Off the Rails in Three Easy Steps
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ump-226869
Yes, it’s already time to worry about the system breaking down.

President Donald Trump showed his skill at trolling last week, sending his critics into a frenzy when he re-tweeted Jerry Falwell Jr.’s assertion that “Trump should have 2 years added to his 1st term as payback for time stolen by this corrupt failed coup.” The idea of a lunge for extra-constitutional power was then embraced by none other than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who reportedly said she “does not automatically trust the president to respect the results of any election short of an overwhelming defeat.”

It might sound absurd, but for people who understand the mechanics of the U.S. electoral process, her fears have an edge of plausibility.

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#345 Post by Trollface-mies » 16 May 2019, 10:44

Nahkanuijan nuupauttaja wrote:
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Bernie-Russia-Today-jengi piereskelee kusenpolttamassa kellarissaan bongisauhujen keskellä että mitä vittua tämmönen paskaliberaalien mediaboikotti oikein on olevinaan: https://jacobinmag.com/2019/05/elizabet ... n-fox-news
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A couple of weeks ago, I argued that Elizabeth Warren may have smart policies, but Bernie Sanders has mass politics. Yesterday, Warren demonstrated the difference in action: she announced that unlike Sanders she will be declining an invitation to appear on a televised Fox News town hall.
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