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#1276 Post by Dame Cressida Dick » 21 May 2017, 17:49

Hans Normaali wrote:Oletan että tämmöset ikävät poliittiset asiat ei sentään vaikuta suomalaisten matkailuun Turkissa. Haluammehan pysyä erossa politiikasta ja vaan lomailla. [-o<
Mä en suurena Turkin ystävänä ainakaan taida hetkeen mennä. Vituttaa toi meininki sen verran.

Oon varmaan mainostanutkin, mutta olen nähnyt Erdoganin suora lifenä.
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#1277 Post by Pasi Fist » 23 May 2017, 08:56

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Turkey complains about 'aggressive' US police after Erdoğan protest brawl

Ankara asks US to ‘conduct a full investigation’ after Erdoğan’s bodyguards were shown beating demonstrators outside the Turkish embassy in Washington

Turkey has summoned the American ambassador to complain about the behaviour of US security personnel during a US visit by Recep Tayyip Erdoğan that turned violent when Erdoğan’s diplomatic escort beat up protesters outside the Turkish diplomatic mission in Washington.

Videos of the altercation, in which Erdoğan’s bodyguards were shown beating demonstrators outside the Turkish embassy as the president looked on, elicited condemnations by American lawmakers, with John McCain saying the country’s ambassador should be “thrown out”.

On Monday, however, Ankara said it had lodged a verbal and written protest at the behavior of US security personnel, saying they had taken actions that were “aggressive and unprofessional” and “contrary to diplomatic rules and practices”.

It was an apparent reference to Washington Metropolitan police officers’ attempts to break up the scuffles, sometimes using batons.

“It has been formally requested that the US authorities conduct a full investigation of this diplomatic incident and provide the necessary explanation,” the foreign ministry said in its statement.

Heather Nauert, a spokesperson for the state department, confirmed that ambassador John Bass was summoned to the Turkish foreign ministry, but added: “the conduct of Turkish security personnel last week was deeply disturbing. The state department has raised its concerns about those events at the highest levels.”

The relationship between Washington and Ankara has been rocky in recent years over American backing of Kurdish militants fighting the terror group Islamic State in northern Syria. Turkey considers the group in question, the Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG), an affiliate of its own Kurdish insurgent movement (the PKK), which is labeled a terrorist organisation by the US and European Union.

The Obama administration had backed the YPG with airpower in its campaign, and the Trump administration has pledged to directly arm the group in its effort to seize Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa.

The US has also not extradited Fethullah Gülen, a reclusive preacher based in Pennsylvania whose movement is widely believed in Turkey to have masterminded a coup attempt last July that killed 250 people.

The latest diplomatic incident appears to be a Turkish signal of displeasure after months of anticipating a better relationship with Washington after Trump’s swearing in.

Tensions in the bilateral relationship surfaced at a US-Turkish conference in Washington on Monday. The US acting deputy secretary of state, Thomas Shannon, said “Americans were ... surprised and disturbed by the violent incident outside the Turkish residence during President Erdoğan’s visit last week.”

“During that incident, Americans saw lawful protesters attacked,” he added. “It is important to note that in the US such protests are legal, protected and customary. They are a manifestation of rights that we hold dearly. In this regard we found the attack deplorable and lacking in respect for our laws that we expect from visitors.”

Shannon, however, thanked the Turkish ambassador to the US, Serdar Kılıç, for “attempting to stop the fight” and calming nerves.

Kılıç was unapologetic for the role of Turkish security men. He did not directly address the attacks on demonstrators but criticised US authorities for allowing PKK supporters to protest.

“It was really disappointing to see the so-called flags of the PKK, which is a US-designated terrorist organisation, on the streets of Washington DC, and the supporters of the so-called leader of the PKK again on the streets of Washington DC,” the ambassador said. “We do not take it as an expression of freedom of expression. It is an expression of solidarity with terrorists.”

He also used the occasion to lambast the Trump administration for its decision to arm the YPG.

“I can hardly understand or accept the argument that the US has to conduct operations on Raqqa by making use of YPG/YDD since there is no alternative on the ground. There is Turkey, and there is the Free Syrian Army that have successfully conducted operations Euphrates Shield against Daesh [Isis],” Kılıç said.

“You cannot and should not make use of a terrorist organisation in your fight against another terrorist. Especially when a 65-year-old ally tells you that this terrorist organisation that you are in partnership with constitutes an existential threat to its national security and stability,” he added. “Don’t let the trees surrounding you blind you to the forest. History tells us that short-term and short-sighted tactical choices could in the long run lead to strategic weaknesses.”

The diplomatic sparring took place as an annual conference on government and business relations between the two countries was under way in Washington at a new venue: the Trump international hotel.

The co-sponsor of the conference is the Turkey-US Business Council, whose chairman is Kamil Ekim Alptekin. His company paid the Flynn Intel Group – owned by the former national security adviser Michael Flynn – more than $500,000 for lobbying likely to favour the Turkish government. Alptekin also has business ties to Russia.

The organisers of the event insist that the decision was made to move the event from the Washington Ritz-Carlton before Trump was elected, but government ethics experts said its use is a violation of the emoluments clause of the US constitution that prohibits officials from receiving gifts or payments.

Last week, a protest projected a large sign over the Trump International hotel facade saying “Pay Trump Bribes Here” with an arrow pointing to the entrance.
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#1278 Post by Meikä_Mandalorialainen » 23 May 2017, 10:09

Pasi Fist wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... test-brawl
Turkey complains about 'aggressive' US police after Erdoğan protest brawl

Ankara asks US to ‘conduct a full investigation’ after Erdoğan’s bodyguards were shown beating demonstrators outside the Turkish embassy in Washington

Turkey has summoned the American ambassador to complain about the behaviour of US security personnel during a US visit by Recep Tayyip Erdoğan that turned violent when Erdoğan’s diplomatic escort beat up protesters outside the Turkish diplomatic mission in Washington.

Videos of the altercation, in which Erdoğan’s bodyguards were shown beating demonstrators outside the Turkish embassy as the president looked on, elicited condemnations by American lawmakers, with John McCain saying the country’s ambassador should be “thrown out”.

On Monday, however, Ankara said it had lodged a verbal and written protest at the behavior of US security personnel, saying they had taken actions that were “aggressive and unprofessional” and “contrary to diplomatic rules and practices”.

It was an apparent reference to Washington Metropolitan police officers’ attempts to break up the scuffles, sometimes using batons.

“It has been formally requested that the US authorities conduct a full investigation of this diplomatic incident and provide the necessary explanation,” the foreign ministry said in its statement.

Heather Nauert, a spokesperson for the state department, confirmed that ambassador John Bass was summoned to the Turkish foreign ministry, but added: “the conduct of Turkish security personnel last week was deeply disturbing. The state department has raised its concerns about those events at the highest levels.”

The relationship between Washington and Ankara has been rocky in recent years over American backing of Kurdish militants fighting the terror group Islamic State in northern Syria. Turkey considers the group in question, the Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG), an affiliate of its own Kurdish insurgent movement (the PKK), which is labeled a terrorist organisation by the US and European Union.

The Obama administration had backed the YPG with airpower in its campaign, and the Trump administration has pledged to directly arm the group in its effort to seize Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa.

The US has also not extradited Fethullah Gülen, a reclusive preacher based in Pennsylvania whose movement is widely believed in Turkey to have masterminded a coup attempt last July that killed 250 people.

The latest diplomatic incident appears to be a Turkish signal of displeasure after months of anticipating a better relationship with Washington after Trump’s swearing in.

Tensions in the bilateral relationship surfaced at a US-Turkish conference in Washington on Monday. The US acting deputy secretary of state, Thomas Shannon, said “Americans were ... surprised and disturbed by the violent incident outside the Turkish residence during President Erdoğan’s visit last week.”

“During that incident, Americans saw lawful protesters attacked,” he added. “It is important to note that in the US such protests are legal, protected and customary. They are a manifestation of rights that we hold dearly. In this regard we found the attack deplorable and lacking in respect for our laws that we expect from visitors.”

Shannon, however, thanked the Turkish ambassador to the US, Serdar Kılıç, for “attempting to stop the fight” and calming nerves.

Kılıç was unapologetic for the role of Turkish security men. He did not directly address the attacks on demonstrators but criticised US authorities for allowing PKK supporters to protest.

“It was really disappointing to see the so-called flags of the PKK, which is a US-designated terrorist organisation, on the streets of Washington DC, and the supporters of the so-called leader of the PKK again on the streets of Washington DC,” the ambassador said. “We do not take it as an expression of freedom of expression. It is an expression of solidarity with terrorists.”

He also used the occasion to lambast the Trump administration for its decision to arm the YPG.

“I can hardly understand or accept the argument that the US has to conduct operations on Raqqa by making use of YPG/YDD since there is no alternative on the ground. There is Turkey, and there is the Free Syrian Army that have successfully conducted operations Euphrates Shield against Daesh [Isis],” Kılıç said.

“You cannot and should not make use of a terrorist organisation in your fight against another terrorist. Especially when a 65-year-old ally tells you that this terrorist organisation that you are in partnership with constitutes an existential threat to its national security and stability,” he added. “Don’t let the trees surrounding you blind you to the forest. History tells us that short-term and short-sighted tactical choices could in the long run lead to strategic weaknesses.”

The diplomatic sparring took place as an annual conference on government and business relations between the two countries was under way in Washington at a new venue: the Trump international hotel.

The co-sponsor of the conference is the Turkey-US Business Council, whose chairman is Kamil Ekim Alptekin. His company paid the Flynn Intel Group – owned by the former national security adviser Michael Flynn – more than $500,000 for lobbying likely to favour the Turkish government. Alptekin also has business ties to Russia.

The organisers of the event insist that the decision was made to move the event from the Washington Ritz-Carlton before Trump was elected, but government ethics experts said its use is a violation of the emoluments clause of the US constitution that prohibits officials from receiving gifts or payments.

Last week, a protest projected a large sign over the Trump International hotel facade saying “Pay Trump Bribes Here” with an arrow pointing to the entrance.
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#1279 Post by Pasi Fist » 23 May 2017, 10:50

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -by-police
Two Turkish teachers on 75-day hunger strike detained by police

Nuriye Gülmen and Semih Özakça have been on strike after losing their jobs in purge that followed coup attempt

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Nuriye Gülmen and Semih Özakça on Sunday.

Two Turkish teachers who are on their 75th day of a hunger strike have been detained by police in Ankara.

Nuriye Gülmen, a professor of literature, and Semih Özakça, a primary school teacher, have been on strike for more than 10 weeks after losing their jobs following the failed coup against the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, last July.

Surviving on a liquid diet of lemon and saltwater and sugar solutions, the pair have lost significant amounts of weight and doctors said this month that their health was deteriorating. A source close to the strikers said their muscles had atrophied.

Police are concerned the strike will become a “death fast” rather than a hunger strike. The detention appears to have been motivated by fears that the strike could be taken up as a cause celebre and evolve into a larger movement like the Gezi park protests in 2013, when hundreds of thousands of people protested against plans to build a replica Ottoman barracks in central Istanbul.

Gülmen tweeted a message of defiance shortly before the detention, saying: “Political department police are trying to enter the house. They are now breaking the door. Damn fascism! Long live our hunger strike resistance! We want our jobs back! We have not and will not surrender!”

A lawyer, Selçuk Kozağaçlı, tweeted that the two hunger strikers were tired but well, although he said they had been “knocked about quite a bit” during the arrest.

On Monday morning riot police were present near the homes of the hunger strikers, and officers responded aggressively to protesters who had gathered there to voice their anger at the arrests. Minor scuffles led to police officers pushing protesters to the ground and detaining a number of them.

The Turkish government has grown increasingly intolerant of dissent, and the purges and arrests in the wake of the coup attempt have gone beyond the movement that orchestrated it to encompass dissidents of all stripes.

Tens of thousands of workers in the police, military, academia, judiciary and civil service have been dismissed, many without evidence of links to the coup plotters or an option to appeal.

Erdoğan narrowly won a referendum last month that gave him sweeping new powers, but the close result highlighted the rifts in a polarised nation.

On Monday the trial opened of more than 220 people, including more than two dozen former Turkish generals, accused of being among the ringleaders of the attempted coup.

It is one of many being held across the country in the biggest legal process of Turkey’s modern history. The charges against the alleged plotters include “using coercion and violence in an attempt to overthrow” the government, “martyring 250 citizens” and “attempting to kill 2,735 citizens”, Hürriyet reported on Sunday.

Also on Monday, Amnesty International published a report on the extent of the purges, which it described as “professional annihilation”.

Those dismissed faced social stigma and marginalisation and had lost their pensions and passports, it said. They were living off savings or handouts from relatives or trade unions, or working in the informal economy. One former university professor described it as a “civil death”.

Andrew Gardner, Amnesty’s Turkey researcher, said: “The shockwaves of Turkey’s post-coup attempt crackdown continue to devastate the lives of a vast number of people who have not only lost their jobs but have had their professional and families lives shattered.

“Cutting 100,000 people off from access to work is akin to professional annihilation on a massive scale and is clearly part of the wider political purge against real or perceived political opponents.”

Amnesty said the arbitrary nature of the dismissals suggested “widespread abusive and discriminatory motives behind the purge”.

None of the 61 people interviewed by the rights watchdog said they had been given a reason for their dismissal other than an allegation of links to terror groups.

A former soldier who was stationed on the other side of the country from where the coup attempt took place told Amnesty: “I was regarded as a hero by society. Now I’m seen as a terrorist and a traitor.”

AFP contributed to this report
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#1280 Post by Hulluttelu Kuutio » 07 Jun 2017, 09:58

YLE wrote:Turkin viranomaiset ovat pidättäneet ihmisoikeusjärjestö Amnesty Internationalin Turkin maajohtajan Taner Kilicin.

Turkki syyttää häntä yhteyksistä maanpaossa elävään muslimisaarnaajaan Fethullah Güleniin. Güleniä syytetään viime heinäkuun vallankaappausyrityksestä.

Kilic pidätettiin yhdessä 20 muun henkilön kanssa Länsi-Turkin Izmirissä eilen tiistaina.

Amnesty Internationalin pääsihteeri Salil Shetty vaatii Kilicin ja muiden pidätettyjen välitöntä vapauttamista.

Turkki on pidättänyt virasta tai antanut potkut yli 100 000:lle julkisen sektorin työntekijälle vallankaappausyrityksen jälkeen.
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#1281 Post by Pasi Fist » 16 Jun 2017, 08:25

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Turkey's opposition begins 250-mile protest march over MP's imprisonment

Hundreds taking part in trek from Ankara to Istanbul after CHP lawmaker Enis Berberoğlu was jailed for 25 years

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Supporters of Turkey’s Republican People’s party begin the march from Ankara to Maltepe prison in Istanbul.

Turkey’s main opposition party has begun a march from the country’s capital, Ankara, to its largest city, Istanbul, to protest against the imprisonment of an MP who was sentenced to 25 years in jail for allegedly leaking information to the press.

“We are facing dictatorial rule,” said Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, the leader of the Republican People’s party (CHP), as he set out on the march. “We don’t want to live in a country where there is no justice. We are saying enough is enough.”

Hundreds of protesters appeared to have joined the march, carrying banners that said “adalet” or “justice” as they set out on the 280 mile (450km) trek that will take them to Maltepe prison, where Enis Berberoğlu has been incarcerated.

A court in Istanbul on Wednesday sentenced Berberoğlu, a CHP MP, to 25 years in prison over his alleged leaking of state secrets to the daily opposition newspaper Cumhuriyet.

The story concerned an incident in 2014 when the Turkish gendarmerie intercepted vehicles bound for the Syrian border belonging to the National Intelligence Organisation (MIT) that were ostensibly carrying humanitarian aid but were instead carrying arms.

It is the first time a CHP MP has been the target of a judicial sentence since parliament voted last year to lift the immunity of members of parliament. The measure was primarily aimed at the pro-Kurdish party in the legislature but has now targeted the CHP, which controls just over a third of the seats in the assembly and voted to lift the immunity.

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Demonstrators shout slogans during the march.

Two journalists from Cumhuriyet are also standing trial in the MIT trucks case – Can Dundar, its former editor-in-chief, and Erdem Gul, the newspaper’s Ankara bureau chief. They are accused of colluding with the network of Fethullah Gulen, an exiled preacher whose movement is widely believed in Turkey to have orchestrated a coup attempt last July.

Opposition members and rights activists have long said that the crackdown following the failed putsch has gone beyond the perpetrators and is aimed at stifling dissent. While tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs or been detained over alleged Gulen links, the imprisonment of a lawmaker from the mainstream opposition is a fresh escalation in the campaign.

On Thursday a court also sentenced a Turkish UN war crimes judge to seven-and-a-half years in prison, a decision condemned by his tribunal in the Hague as a breach of diplomatic norms.

Judge Aydin Akay was detained in September as part of a crackdown on the judiciary following the coup attempt. Akay is a judge at a Netherlands-based UN court handling final appeals and cases from the Rwanda and Yugoslavia war crimes tribunals. His detention has delayed those cases.

The tribunal’s president, Theodor Meron, said Akay’s arrest, “detention and legal proceedings against him are inconsistent with the assertion of his diplomatic immunity by the United Nations”, as well as a court order by the tribunal to release him in January.
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#1282 Post by jalo villi » 24 Jun 2017, 19:58

hs:
Turkki kielsi Pride-kulkueen – viranomaiset vetosivat turvallisuuteen

TURKIN viranomaiset kielsivät Pride-kulkueen järjestämisen Istanbulissa, uutistoimisto Reuters kertoo. Sukupuolivähemmistöjen tapahtuma oli määrä pitää Istanbulin Taksim-aukiolla sunnuntaina.

Viranomaiset perustelivat kieltoa osallistujien, turistien ja paikallisten tuvallisuuden takaamisella. Viranomaisten mukaan sukupuolivähemmistöjen tapahtuma on saanut etukäteen vakavasti otettavia uhkauksia. Uutistoimisto Reutersin mukaan muun muassa kansallismielinen Alperen Hearths -ryhmä uhkasi estää tapahtuman järjestämisen, mikäli viranomaiset eivät ryhtyisi toimiin.

”Alueella ei saa järjestää kyseisenä päivänä mielenosoitusta tai marssia turistien ja yleisen turvallisuuden takaamiseksi”, viranomaiset totesivat lähettämässään tiedotteessa.

Tänä vuonna sunnuntaille suunniteltu marssi osuu samalle päivälle ramadanin päättävän id al-fitr -juhlan kanssa

Tapahtuman järjestäjät kertoivat aikovansa järjestää marssin kielloista huolimatta.

”Me marssimme, tottukaa ajatukseen. Me olemme täällä, emmekä ole menossa minnekään”, tapahtuman järjestävät viestittivät.

Istanbulia on aiemmin pidetty turvallisena kaupunkina ja kulkueet ovat saaneet olla enimmäkseen rauhassa. Nyt Pride-kulkue peruttiin kuitenkin jo toista vuotta putkeen. Viime vuonna kulkueen järjestämisen kieltoa perusteltiin äärijärjestö Isisin ja kurdijoukkojen pommiuhalla. Kulkueeseen kaikesta huolimatta osallistuneet saivat vastaansa poliisien kyynelkaasut ja vesitykit.

Myös vuonna 2015 järjestetty Pride-kulkue sai tylyn päätöksen, kun mellakkapoliisi ampui paraatiin osallistuneita vesitykillä ja kumiluodeilla
mikäs toi kurdien pommiuhka on ollut? Ihan Turkin valtiojohtosen median panettelua vai onko siellä oikeasti tommosta meininkiä?

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#1283 Post by Villijam » 24 Jun 2017, 20:07

Monelta nuo kähinät alkaa?
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#1284 Post by Pöydällä nakki ja pullo vodkaa » 24 Jun 2017, 20:13

Reality Winner wrote:hs:
Turkki kielsi Pride-kulkueen – viranomaiset vetosivat turvallisuuteen

Viime vuonna kulkueen järjestämisen kieltoa perusteltiin äärijärjestö Isisin ja kurdijoukkojen pommiuhalla. Kulkueeseen kaikesta huolimatta osallistuneet saivat vastaansa poliisien kyynelkaasut ja vesitykit.

Myös vuonna 2015 järjestetty Pride-kulkue sai tylyn päätöksen, kun mellakkapoliisi ampui paraatiin osallistuneita vesitykillä ja kumiluodeilla
mikäs toi kurdien pommiuhka on ollut? Ihan Turkin valtiojohtosen median panettelua vai onko siellä oikeasti tommosta meininkiä?
no siis kuten tuossa tekstissäkin todetaan, viime vuonna kaikki ei noudattaneet kieltoa vaan lähti marssille ja poliisi hajoitti kulkueen kumiluodeilla ja kyynelkaasulla ja ottivat ihmisiä putkaan, mukaanlukien politiikkoja ja toimittajan eli ei siellä ollut mielessä osallistujien turvallisuus. mitään uhkauksia ei ollut vaan vedottiin yleisesti siihen että isis ja kurdit olleet aktiivisia elikkä täytyy kieltää

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#1285 Post by tauti » 24 Jun 2017, 20:17

ISTANBUL — Turkey has removed the concept of evolution from its high school curriculum, in what critics fear is the latest attempt by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government to erode the country’s secular character.

Starting in September, a chapter on evolution will no longer appear in ninth graders’ textbooks because it is considered too “controversial” an idea, an official announced this week.
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“Our students don’t have the necessary scientific background and information-based context needed to comprehend” the debate about evolution, said the official, Alpaslan Durmus, the chairman of the Education Ministry’s Education and Discipline Board, which decides the curriculum, in a video posted on the ministry’s website.

The news has deepened concerns among Mr. Erdogan’s critics that the president, a conservative Muslim, wants to radically change the identity of a country that was founded in 1923 along staunchly secular lines.
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“The last crumbs of secular scientific education have been removed,” said Feray Aytekin Aydogan, the head of Egitim-Sen, a union of secular-minded teachers. Ms. Aydogan also scoffed at the notion that evolution was too complex for teenagers to understand.

“Forget high school, you can comfortably explain it in preschool,” she said in a telephone interview. “This is one of the basic topics you need to understand living beings, life and nature.”

Over the past five years, analysts have noted how Mr. Erdogan’s government has steadily increased references to Islam in the curriculum and removed some references to the ideas of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Turkey’s founder. It has also increased the number of religious schools, known as imam hatip schools, and spoken of Mr. Erdogan’s desire to raise “a pious generation” of young Turks.

Mr. Erdogan has also moved gradually to reduce restrictions on the wearing of Islamic dress. In 2011, he removed a ban on head scarves in universities, and in 2013, scrapped a similar ban in the civil service. This year, he did the same for women in the army, an institution previously regarded as the last bastion of hard-line secularism.

For some, these changes simply constitute a progressive attempt to open up public space and discourse to the pious sections of the population that for decades were marginalized by the country’s secular and military elite.

“It’s not true that Turkey is becoming less secular,” said Ezgi Yagmur Kucuk, 20, a trainee anesthetist who does not wear a veil. “Everyone can believe whatever they like.”

Others, however, see an attempt not just to promote freedom of religion, but to ensure its primacy. According to Kerem Oktem, the author of “Angry Nation,” a history of contemporary Turkey, the country is “not continuing along a process of secularization — it’s going into a post-secular context.”

Still, Turkey is not considered likely to morph into a second Iran. The country’s vexed relationship with secularism also predates Mr. Erdogan’s tenure.

Technically, mosque and state were never completely separated in Turkey, even during the days of Ataturk. Instead, religion was placed under the control of the state. The process of legitimizing Islamic thought was in part begun during the rule of Kenan Evren, the army general who took power in a coup in 1980 and who viewed Islam as a potential buffer against communism.

To add to the complexity, Mr. Erdogan’s party — the Justice and Development Party, or A.K.P. — has a confusing relationship with Islamism, or the belief in a society governed according to Islamic law. It does not call for the application of Shariah law.

Its leaders have historically denied they are Islamists, preferring instead to be known as conservatives. Unlike the political wing of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, a group to which the A.K.P. has sometimes been compared, several of its female lawmakers are unveiled.

One of Mr. Erdogan’s best-known supporters, Cem Kucuk, an outspoken commentator, has even called for hard-line Islamists to be expelled from the party.

It “uses religion to get votes,” said Jenny White, an expert on the changing role of Islam and secularism within Turkey. “But they do not have a coherent theological, religious ideology.”

The party and Turkish politics in general are best viewed through an authoritarian lens rather than an Islamist one, said Ms. White, the author of “Muslim Nationalism and the New Turks,” a book about identity in contemporary Turkey.

“The A.K.P. is all about staying in power — and whatever it has to do to stay in power, it will do,” she said.

Any further attempts to “Islamize” Turkish society is likely to be met with resistance, Mr. Oktem said. Despite Mr. Erdogan’s increasing authoritarianism, roughly half the country still voted against plans to give him more power in a recent referendum.

“Most of these people are those who don’t think religion should have such a central place in society,” Mr. Oktem said.

He added, “Turkey is still not a deeply Islamic society, and much of the public visibility of Islam doesn’t necessarily have a very deep basis.”

But for Ms. Aydogan, the teachers’ union leader, the outlook for secularism in the education sector is already bleak.

Removing evolution from the curriculum, Ms. Aydogan said, puts Turkey in the same league as ultraconservative Saudi Arabia, where the concept is briefly mentioned in the curriculum but strongly criticized.
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#1286 Post by Pöydällä nakki ja pullo vodkaa » 25 Jun 2017, 20:41

istanbul priden kanssa kävi kuten viime vuonnakin
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/istanbul-pride-riot-police-turkey-lgbt-rights-march-dogs-rubber-bullets-tear-gas-a7807656.html wrote:Istanbul Pride: Turkish riot police fire rubber bullets at LGBT marchers

Turkish police were deployed in central Istanbul on Sunday to enforce a ban on the city's annual gay and transgender pride march, blocking off a main street and dispersing groups of demonstrators who gathered nearby.

Police with riot shields and helmets sealed off entrances to Istiklal Street, where organisers had planned to hold the march before authorities announced the ban on Saturday, citing security concerns after threats from an ultra-nationalist group.

Small groups of people gathered in sidestreets waving rainbow flags, symbols of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pride.

Police fired rubber bullets to disperse one group, witnesses said, and detained several people. Officers with dogs also chased activists.

Footage posted on the internet also appeared to show them firing tear gas at one location.

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#1287 Post by Poistunut käyttäjä 22a646 » 26 Jun 2017, 13:23

Deutsche Welle wrote:Germany tells Erdogan's bodyguards to stay away from Hamburg G20

German officials are preparing for violence at the G20 but not all of it may come from protesters. The Turkish president's bodyguards are renowned for clashing with activists.

The German Foreign Ministry warned Turkish bodyguards involved in violent scuffles in Washington last month not to attend the G20 summit in July, German media reported on Sunday.

Those warnings were then repeated to Bundestag members in closed-door meetings, respected national daily Die Welt reported.

The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) said earlier that foreign powers did not hold sovereign powers, saying "foreign colleagues only have the right to self-defense," the paper reported.

Hamburg Senator Andy Grote told Die Welt: "On our streets, only the Hamburg police have a say - and no one else. This includes foreign security forces."

The Turkish Embassy sent the Foreign Ministry a list of 50 people who were to accompany Erdogan to Hamburg, local daily Hamburger Abendblatt reported on Sunday. The list reportedly included several agents who were involved in an incident in Washington last month.

Erdogan's guards beat protestors

In May, Recep Tayyip Erdogan's bodyguards allegedly pushed past US police to attack supporters of a Kurdish group following a meeting with US President Donald Trump in Washington.

US authorities announced arrest warrants had been issued for 12 members of Erdogan's security detail, including nine security guards and three police officers.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry lodged a formal protest with the US ambassador for the "aggressive" actions of US security personnel. It released a statement criticizing "the inability of US authorities to take sufficient precautions at every stage of the official program" and demanded a full investigation of the incident.

Last year Erdogan's bodyguards also attacked a group outside the Brookings Institution, ejecting a Turkish reporter from the speech venue, kicking another and throwing a third to the ground outside the prominent think tank.

Protests planned for Hamburg

More than 10,000 left-wing extremists are expected to descend on Hamburg for the G20 Summit being held on July 7 and July 8. Hamburg is already a hotbed of left-wing activism and cars have been regularly torched in the lead up to the summit.

Adding to the possibility of potential violence is the large Kurdish presence in the Hanseatic city, many of whom support the banned Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK). Several thousand well-organized Turkish right-wing extremists such as the Ulkucu or Gray Wolf movement reportedly operate in Germany as well.

"The Kurdish scene is highly hierarchical, and does not need a long lead time to mobilize," a senior security official told Hamburger Abendblatt.
Germany's domestic intelligence agency (BfV) warned Die Welt that street battles between Kurds and nationalist Turks could easily erupt.

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#1288 Post by Pöydällä nakki ja pullo vodkaa » 02 Jul 2017, 21:47

lähteen laadusta en osaa sanoa mutta näyttää olevan vähän kaikkialla tää juttu. pääoppositiopuolue ei ole enää poliittinen vastustaja vaan tukee terrorismia t.erdogan :sad1x:
http://www.qatar-tribune.com/news-details/id/73180 wrote:The president told a meeting of his ruling party that the line represented by the CHP"had gone beyond being a political opposition and taken on a different proportion."

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday accused Turkey's main opposition party of siding with terrorism, as a three-week"march for justice" led by its chief advanced towards its endpoint of Istanbul.

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#1289 Post by Pasi Fist » 06 Jul 2017, 09:54

http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000005279933.html
Turkki suuttui Berliiniin nousseesta Erdoğanin vastaisesta installaatiosta

Presidentti Erdoğanin lisäksi protestiteoksessa diktaattoreina näytetään Vladimir Putin ja Saudi-Arabian kuningas.

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G20-kokoukseen tulevia valtionpäämiehiä arvosteleva installaatio nousi tiistaina Berliiniin valtakunnankanslerin toimiston eteen.

TURKKI on suuttunut Saksan liittokanslerin viraston edessä olevasta teoksesta, joka esittää presidentti Recep Tayyip Erdoğanin diktaattorina.

Viraston edessä olevassa installaatiossa musta urheiluauto on asetettu korokkeelle arpajaisvoiton tavoin ja auton edessä olevassa mainoskyltissä lukee ”Haluatko tämän auton? Tapa diktatuuri!”.

Kyltissä on lisäksi Erdoğanin, presidentti Vladimir Putinin ja Saudi-Arabian kuninkaan Salman bin Abdulazizin kuvat.

TURKIN ulkoministeriön mukaan teos yllyttää väkivaltaan. Turkin ja Saksan välit ovat huonontuneet viime vuosina.

Installaation takana ovat ensi viikonlopun G20-kokouksen arvostelijat.

Erdoğan ja Putin ovat tulossa Hampurissa järjestettävään kokoukseen. Saudi-Arabiaa edustaa kuinkaan sijasta valtiovarainministeri Mohammed al-Jadaan.
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#1290 Post by Hardcore-Mummo » 06 Jul 2017, 22:41

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9708637
Turkin viranomaiset ovat pidättäneet ihmisoikeusjärjestö Amnesty Internationalin Turkin maajohtajan Idil Eserin sekä seitsemän turkkilaista ihmisoikeusaktivistia.

He osallistuivat konferenssiin Büyükadan saarella maan pääkaupungin Ankaran lähellä. Poliisit pidättivät aktivistien lisäksi tilaisuuteen osallistuneet ruotsalaisen ja saksalaisen kouluttajan sekä paikallisen hotellin omistajan.

Syytä pidätykselle ei Amnesty Internationalin mukaan annettu. Myös pidätettyjen olinpaikka on toistaiseksi epäselvä. Amnesty Internationalin mukaan pidätetyille ei ole annettu mahdollisuutta puhua lakimiehille eikä omaisilleen.

Amnestyn pääsihteeri Salil Shetty vaati heidän välitöntä vapauttamistaan ja vetosi G20-kokoukseen kokoontuviin johtajiin.

– Hampurissa koolla olevat maailman johtajat ovat suhtautuneet uskomattoman suvaitsevaisesti Turkin ihmisoikeustilanteen heikkenemiseen. Kun presidentti Erdoğan nyt on heidän keskuudessaan, johtajilla olisi hyvä mahdollisuus tuomita ihmisoikeusaktivistien pidättäminen Turkissa ja vaatia heidän vapauttamistaan, hän sanoi tiedotteessaan (siirryt toiseen palveluun).

Kesän 2016 vallankumousyrityksen jäljiltä Turkissa on pidätetty yli 50 000 ihmistä ja 150 000 on erotettu virasta.
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